
Digital Nexus
Dive into the thrilling world of data, digital, and AI with your superhero hosts, Chris and Mark. These dynamic duo consultants have built digital wonders in Australia and beyond. They wield their innovation powers at Digital Village and NotCentralised, respectively, bringing you the news, views, and opinions that are simply out of this world.
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Digital Nexus
3 | Look who's talking now?
🎙️ Our 3rd episode of the "Digital Nexus" podcast and this week we say hello to AI Chris and AI Mark plus more 🚀
In this episode, Mark and Chris explore the evolving landscape of AI, discussing the impact of AI on content creation, the job market, and the ethical considerations of AI interactions. They also dive into the recent Samsung Unpacked event, the role of AI in the tech industry, and the future of AI in hardware innovation.
Timestamps:
🔹0:00 - Intro - Mark's take on TikTok and AI's future, Chris's digital dreams
🔹6:58 - We meet AI Mark and AI Chris in conversation - talking about AI fears
🔹14:01 - The changing role of creators in the AI era and embracing new opportunities
🔹15:18 - The impact of AI tools like Claude 3.5 on developers' work and pricing
🔹19:01 - Disappointment with Samsung Unpacked and the missed AI opportunities
🔹33:33 - Nvidia's role in AI and the shift towards custom chip manufacturing
🔹37:19 - The energy consumption debate in AI and parallels with blockchain technology
Join us as we navigate the exciting and sometimes daunting world of artificial intelligence. Your journey into the nexus of digital innovation starts here!
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<b>[MUSIC] I'm holding it so</b><b>Digital Play probably.</b><b>Chris has an important</b><b>public service announcement.</b><b>Welcome to Digital Nexus,</b><b>the greatest podcast I</b><b>have ever listened to.</b><b>Wow, thanks Chris. That was amazing.</b><b>You're welcome, AI Chris.</b><b>No, not at all 11 Labs Chris,</b><b>which is kind of crazy</b><b>because I don't know.</b><b>Are we starting from here?</b><b>But yeah, let's just start from here.</b><b>But we can loop back. Let's loop back.</b><b>The introductions. Quick one.</b><b>Welcome to you Mark.</b><b>Hi. How's it going?</b><b>Feels like it's been so</b><b>long since we last spoke.</b><b>It's been seven days.</b><b>Seven days to the door.</b><b>Yeah, seven days in AI world.</b><b>I think that's like one year on earth.</b><b>Maybe more.</b><b>Yeah, probably more.</b><b>If we look at the trends and shit</b><b>that's changing in</b><b>our ecosystem right now.</b><b>It's ridiculous.</b><b>Even the stuff I'm going to</b><b>show is not something new.</b><b>It's been around for a little while,</b><b>but it's just fun to actually put it</b><b>out there and stuff</b><b>now that we've got some</b><b>content from the podcast.</b><b>But yeah, I've been good.</b><b>There's been a lot of</b><b>stuff happening tonight.</b><b>We'll probably talk about that later.</b><b>There's a panel</b><b>downstairs at Fishburners.</b><b>We are in Cernan Chalk right now.</b><b>We like to go amongst the different</b><b>startup hub communities</b><b>because they're all so supportive.</b><b>But yeah, there's an AI panel I'm</b><b>getting ready for tonight.</b><b>Very, very nice. Very, very nice.</b><b>My week's been interesting.</b><b>It's been very focused on delivering</b><b>some interesting projects for people,</b><b>which I'm a stranger, I just realised I</b><b>can't actually talk about.</b><b>So that's about as far as that</b><b>conversation can go through.</b><b>Well, my mission for the rest of this</b><b>episode is to get from Chris,</b><b>extract the insights of information.</b><b>So what colour-</b><b>Yeah, exactly.</b><b>How do I make one of those truth serums</b><b>and stuff with only hand sanitiser,</b><b>a battery and some water and coffee?</b><b>Like, I'm sure there's a way.</b><b>MacGyver.</b><b>I was going to say,</b><b>clearly mine's a bit darker.</b><b>I came up with torture results.</b><b>Oh, no, no, no, no, no.</b><b>Dark to one, opportunity to another.</b><b>But that sounds like a</b><b>really good and interesting week,</b><b>even though you can't talk</b><b>about it, which is great.</b><b>So I guess the episode's done.</b><b>Yeah, well done.</b><b>That was good.</b><b>Off done.</b><b>No, it's been good.</b><b>My little one has</b><b>been sick, unfortunately.</b><b>How are you feeling?</b><b>I'm, I've discovered-</b><b>Keep your distance.</b><b>There's the invisible</b><b>wall in front of us.</b><b>I have discovered that if I want to</b><b>avoid getting sick,</b><b>I just drink whisky.</b><b>So I become an alcoholic.</b><b>Medical advice.</b><b>But I'm-</b><b>Financial advice, medical advice, legal</b><b>advice, all in this episode.</b><b>But I'm not sick, so that's great.</b><b>Yeah, definitely don't do that.</b><b>That is an awful thing to do.</b><b>But yeah, a couple of shots</b><b>of whisky, clears the throat.</b><b>It's great.</b><b>I think it's good, especially like it's</b><b>pre-workout right</b><b>before like a big run.</b><b>That's right.</b><b>I find that I get more relaxed,</b><b>although there was one time</b><b>I was on my way to the gym</b><b>and I accidentally went to the gym and</b><b>I had a couple of like gyms and it</b><b>wasn't meant to be a pre-workout.</b><b>It just kind of happened that way.</b><b>I went for a run.</b><b>I was really relaxed.</b><b>Like the body wasn't stiff.</b><b>It was just like,</b><b>yeah, I mean, it helped.</b><b>It was super cold outside, so it was</b><b>all fogged up on the</b><b>glass and stuff inside</b><b>because people on the treadmills and</b><b>stuff and they're</b><b>right near the windows.</b><b>But I walked in and I'm</b><b>like, I feel like running.</b><b>Stitch of alcohol pouring up.</b><b>And I ran well.</b><b>It was now three gyms</b><b>might have stopped it.</b><b>Like two-</b><b>Oh, it was only two.</b><b>Oh, okay.</b><b>So it wasn't-</b><b>Yeah, okay.</b><b>So it was a slow, it was a slow sort of</b><b>warm up to the crazy-</b><b>Fitness advice too, folks.</b><b>Like you're getting it all.</b><b>I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode</b><b>about home and all walks.</b><b>It's like a gime?</b><b>A gime.</b><b>Oh, a gime.</b><b>Yeah, so I went to the gime and stuff</b><b>and so that was really good.</b><b>But no, there's been some really</b><b>interesting things.</b><b>We're going to go to it in the news.</b><b>But since this is the third episode, I</b><b>did something kind of funky,</b><b>which I'm showing on screen here.</b><b>And I guess we'll get the screenshots</b><b>in because it's, you know,</b><b>we're in a different room here, folks.</b><b>This is a smaller screen.</b><b>So, you know, we've</b><b>moved a little bit closer.</b><b>But what's basically happened is that</b><b>inside of Psych, I</b><b>took our transcripts.</b><b>I took it into Fireflies to split</b><b>between the people.</b><b>I could do with other tools and stuff,</b><b>but I like Fireflies.</b><b>And basically what I</b><b>did was things like-</b><b>So Fireflies is a, you extract directly</b><b>out of the audio file</b><b>or directly out of the-</b><b>I can load an MP3.</b><b>I load an MP3 and basically it's one</b><b>of, it's not meant for this.</b><b>It's like its main purpose is to</b><b>actually record your calls and give you</b><b>summaries and stuff.</b><b>But the problem I find with it is that</b><b>maybe they're fixing it,</b><b>but I can't interact with it after.</b><b>It just gives me the summary.</b><b>It's not got a tool in there that I can</b><b>go play around with and that's fine.</b><b>So I extract usually transcripts from</b><b>there, but we didn't</b><b>record this on a call.</b><b>So we recorded this as a video file.</b><b>I took out the MP3.</b><b>It's one of the only ones that you can</b><b>actually upload a file into.</b><b>And it splits the voices.</b><b>It recognizes that Chris speaks</b><b>differently to Mark.</b><b>And what I basically did was I took</b><b>episode one and I asked it a few</b><b>questions about episode</b><b>one, episode two, just</b><b>for, just for summaries.</b><b>We can talk about that later.</b><b>But the main point</b><b>Chris was that I did this.</b><b>I got it to talk about the style and</b><b>tone of voice of how we speak.</b><b>And more importantly, when people do</b><b>this, they forget to add</b><b>in that you need to put</b><b>in a quote, like give me quote examples</b><b>where you're saying that I am casual</b><b>and conversational.</b><b>Give me quote examples because unless</b><b>you have those casual and</b><b>conversational could</b><b>mean anything in</b><b>terms of how you speak.</b><b>So it said we're</b><b>casual and conversational.</b><b>Apparently we're humorous and playful.</b><b>That's probably me more so than Chris.</b><b>I love this.</b><b>This is just hitting our, remember the</b><b>triangle we talked about in terms of</b><b>the type of podcast</b><b>you want.</b><b>You're with somebody</b><b>who's warm and welcoming.</b><b>Oh yeah.</b><b>Really hilarious or informative.</b><b>And it's touching our,</b><b>touching the ones we wanted.</b><b>We were planning this, but this is like</b><b>actually validation.</b><b>It is.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>We're hitting our points.</b><b>We're informed and relaxed discussions.</b><b>Hopefully you're all relaxed.</b><b>We are engaging and interactive and you</b><b>know, saying things like that's right.</b><b>We could set up a proper</b><b>domain exchange for that.</b><b>So engaging and interactive.</b><b>Apparently that's an example of that.</b><b>Excellent.</b><b>Topical and current Chris has said,</b><b>I've been testing out a</b><b>lot of a couple of tools on</b><b>the sales front of AI</b><b>has been a sales front.</b><b>Now obviously it's how good the</b><b>transcript has picked up, but it's, I</b><b>think that's pretty</b><b>right.</b><b>And a few other things there, but</b><b>taking that as a style is really</b><b>important because that</b><b>sets the scene for something that I</b><b>could do next, which</b><b>was I actually asked it.</b><b>And this is probably the end of</b><b>podcasts as folks right at</b><b>the very beginning for us.</b><b>But I asked that based on the style,</b><b>can you give me a</b><b>conversation that Chris, you and</b><b>I would have with a topic such as AI</b><b>fears and can I play something for you?</b><b>Yes, please.</b><b>Are you ready to hear this?</b><b>I'm fearful.</b><b>I'm fearful too.</b><b>And you know, folks</b><b>at home be fearful too.</b><b>So this is the digital twins test.</b><b>I've called this one's.</b><b>So Chris, there's a lot of fear</b><b>mongering going on about AI these days.</b><b>It's like every other headline is</b><b>screaming about how AI is</b><b>going to take our jobs or</b><b>make decisions we won't understand.</b><b>Yeah, it's a hot topic for sure.</b><b>But you know, a lot of that fear comes</b><b>from misunderstandings</b><b>about what AI actually is</b><b>and what it can do.</b><b>It's not this all</b><b>knowing all powerful entity.</b><b>It's a tool.</b><b>It's not just about taking any tool.</b><b>It's about how we use it.</b><b>Right.</b><b>And I think it's important to remember</b><b>that AI has been</b><b>around for a while now.</b><b>It's not just about</b><b>robots taking over the world.</b><b>It's about algorithms that can help us</b><b>sort through data, make</b><b>predictions and even automate</b><b>some of the more mundane tasks.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And let's not forget</b><b>the benefits, right?</b><b>AI can help us in health care,</b><b>education, and even in</b><b>fighting climate change.</b><b>It's not just about</b><b>the potential risks.</b><b>For sure.</b><b>I guess the fear comes from the idea</b><b>that AI could get out</b><b>of control or be used in</b><b>harmful ways.</b><b>It's that classic</b><b>technology gone wrong scenario.</b><b>True, but that's where regulation and</b><b>ethical considerations come into play.</b><b>We need to have conversations about how</b><b>to govern the use of</b><b>AI and ensure it's used</b><b>responsibly.</b><b>Boring Chris.</b><b>It's not just about the tech itself.</b><b>I'm all for it.</b><b>This sounds like boring Chris.</b><b>This is wise Chris.</b><b>This is boring wise Chris.</b><b>Did you ever remember Rick and Morty?</b><b>You ever watch Rick and Morty?</b><b>Have I ever watched Rick and Morty?</b><b>Of course I've watched Rick and Morty.</b><b>They had night persons, so they'd go to</b><b>sleep and then they'd</b><b>be sleepwalking, but you</b><b>could program the</b><b>sleepwalkers to do stuff.</b><b>You sound like night person Chris.</b><b>Just dead inside, unable to.</b><b>I've no emotions.</b><b>I don't care about anyone else's life.</b><b>So it's kind of true.</b><b>Artists were like, oh,</b><b>you just got no emotions.</b><b>But the thing is with, so the way that</b><b>we did that, like that</b><b>was generated with psych,</b><b>the transcript, and then I threw it</b><b>into this and you can see</b><b>a history of like different</b><b>things that I've gotten the AI to say.</b><b>So I give it Chris's voice.</b><b>I basically, so I basically put in MP3s</b><b>of your voice snippets</b><b>from the video and then</b><b>I put in that text and it's got Chris,</b><b>it's got myself in here.</b><b>It's pretty cool, except for the fact</b><b>that you've got this</b><b>setting that if I just go</b><b>over here to settings, you've got this</b><b>style exaggeration setting.</b><b>And what happened was when I went like</b><b>too exaggerated for</b><b>your voice, this is what it</b><b>does.</b><b>Yeah, true.</b><b>But that's where regulation and ethical</b><b>considerations come into play.</b><b>We need to have conversations about how</b><b>to govern the use of</b><b>AI and ensure it's used</b><b>responsibly.</b><b>It's not just about the tech itself,</b><b>but about the systems we</b><b>put in place around it.</b><b>Chris playing on this screen here, but</b><b>apparently exaggerated</b><b>means I just stopped being able</b><b>to talk.</b><b>My brain is broken.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So basically there's that</b><b>and yeah, put it this way.</b><b>It's good for some things.</b><b>Now I know that we could</b><b>certainly have a podcast.</b><b>Like if you're away,</b><b>I'm away next week.</b><b>I haven't told you yet, but like I'm in</b><b>Melbourne next week.</b><b>So I'm physically be here.</b><b>You could just have it recorded.</b><b>You can put like that character that's</b><b>there before you can</b><b>actually have just run you</b><b>virtually.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Just make it say that</b><b>you have one on screen.</b><b>That's it.</b><b>Yeah, exactly.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>I'll have zero important stuff into</b><b>this cause it's a roll of dice.</b><b>Just like all generative AI is.</b><b>But anyway, that's yeah.</b><b>I thought that was a bit of fun just to</b><b>get to get things started.</b><b>That is that is really scary.</b><b>But I mean, it's interesting because it</b><b>talks to about the stuff that's</b><b>happening in video.</b><b>I mean, it talks to what's happening.</b><b>The scary stuff that's being released</b><b>from politics overseas,</b><b>governments, like even</b><b>having presidents saying things that</b><b>they didn't actually say</b><b>these are the tools that</b><b>are scarily doing it.</b><b>And I guess, you know, talking to</b><b>boring Chris, the legislation and</b><b>security that needs to</b><b>be put in place to try and make sure</b><b>people don't use it</b><b>for the wrong things.</b><b>It's pretty presidential to me.</b><b>Well, that's it.</b><b>Boring Chris knows</b><b>what knows what's up.</b><b>But you know that that is</b><b>part of that style thing.</b><b>I think there's just these little</b><b>things that you need to do</b><b>when you're using AI because</b><b>those are all like building blocks that</b><b>if you don't have these</b><b>things included and it</b><b>doesn't matter, there's so many</b><b>different ways to say it</b><b>to get that information out</b><b>and you can use the AI as</b><b>like a tool to help that.</b><b>But you just notice these things the</b><b>more and more you are immersed in it.</b><b>And we wouldn't have known</b><b>that on day one of using it.</b><b>So that's why it's really about</b><b>encouraging people to use</b><b>AI, whatever tools it is out</b><b>there because you see and to keep going</b><b>not just to stop when</b><b>you get that first kind</b><b>of hurdle and stuff because someone</b><b>might use that and go,</b><b>oh, that sounds like nothing</b><b>like me.</b><b>Well, if you tweak it and you get the</b><b>proper style as in style</b><b>with actual quotes from</b><b>your writing or your speaking, you're</b><b>actually going to get</b><b>something like a lot better.</b><b>Even a boring sounding Chris and Mark.</b><b>I think Mark was a little bit more</b><b>excited to be there.</b><b>He sounded quite Aussie.</b><b>When I first used to do that with 11</b><b>Labs, it sounded overly posh.</b><b>And so I sounded like I was still</b><b>living in London and</b><b>trying to mimic the accent.</b><b>But anyway, what's</b><b>next on the agenda, Chris?</b><b>What do you got?</b><b>It's an interesting</b><b>thing that you're hinting at.</b><b>And I've forgotten her</b><b>name, which is really bad.</b><b>But I think she was one of the original</b><b>developers or founders</b><b>that worked with OpenAI.</b><b>And she was in an interview.</b><b>Mira Marati.</b><b>Yes.</b><b>And one of the questions I was asked to</b><b>her is around pushing our fear</b><b>mongering discussion</b><b>and taking jobs.</b><b>On free ATUs and stuff.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And one of her responses, which I</b><b>thought was really,</b><b>really was a good response, was</b><b>around it's going to be about the</b><b>education of how we use AI</b><b>properly and how we integrate</b><b>it, not pushing that fear mongering</b><b>factor or the errors and wrong things.</b><b>It's the education of how can it apply</b><b>to the things that we do.</b><b>Which I thought was a</b><b>really good response.</b><b>I think so.</b><b>And she's been lambasted a little bit</b><b>because something to do with her.</b><b>And I haven't listened to the full</b><b>thing, so I don't have</b><b>context around creative jobs</b><b>that just shouldn't be there or</b><b>shouldn't have been there.</b><b>But it's like, if that's true, if it</b><b>really is what she</b><b>said, not quite right.</b><b>Because we had to have things, we had</b><b>to have people that</b><b>were elevator operators.</b><b>We had to have jobs that are no longer</b><b>there anymore to get to</b><b>the point where we're like,</b><b>hey, that's the</b><b>thing to make efficient.</b><b>And it's just back and forth.</b><b>Like, I think it's</b><b>just part of the cycle.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And I think that was, I feel like that</b><b>was the intention of</b><b>what she was saying, but I</b><b>think it's probably</b><b>taken out of context.</b><b>Like, media never do that.</b><b>She said it in context, but the problem</b><b>was that I don't think</b><b>that's how she intentionally</b><b>wanted to articulate it.</b><b>But because there is, I would argue, on</b><b>a broader scale, there</b><b>are a lot of jobs that</b><b>don't need to be done.</b><b>Look at consulting, for example, right?</b><b>Look at this.</b><b>Look at us.</b><b>There's a lot of jobs that I do.</b><b>It's like, why I</b><b>shouldn't be doing this.</b><b>There's no need for this.</b><b>So I think from a broad industry</b><b>perspective, there are key</b><b>areas where that term, what</b><b>she was saying, does apply.</b><b>I think from a creative space, there</b><b>is, that was probably</b><b>the wrong thing to say.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>In front of a bunch of creators, we're</b><b>not getting out of that building.</b><b>My goodness.</b><b>No, no, no.</b><b>I don't know where she did it.</b><b>But it's like, context is definitely</b><b>king here because things</b><b>can be taken always both</b><b>ways.</b><b>Like some people might hear that and</b><b>go, great, that's an</b><b>opportunity, even as a creative,</b><b>to do more.</b><b>Like, this is the time it is changing.</b><b>We've gone from paint brushes to</b><b>keyboards and mouses to</b><b>now commanding at what to do.</b><b>So if you're in a situation like that,</b><b>I guess the thing is,</b><b>how do you get to that next</b><b>level of everyone can now uplift to the</b><b>same level you're at.</b><b>If you're eager enough, like, and look,</b><b>there's so many different</b><b>drivers for your eagerness</b><b>and motivation to do something new and</b><b>we'll get white people who</b><b>are just tired as families,</b><b>all these things.</b><b>But in a situation like that, if you've</b><b>got the opportunity to</b><b>and you've got the energy</b><b>to, this is actually a great</b><b>opportunity to up the game.</b><b>And you see some artists doing that.</b><b>You see someone Spotify going, fully</b><b>embracing yet use my voice,</b><b>do this, like do stuff with</b><b>it.</b><b>And I don't know who the artists were</b><b>that they were doing</b><b>something where they were</b><b>just like putting it out there.</b><b>I think it was Elon's ex.</b><b>I forget what her name is Grimes.</b><b>I think she was yeah, it was Grimes.</b><b>She was putting stuff out there and</b><b>letting people do</b><b>stuff with it with AI.</b><b>So I think it's either embrace or fear</b><b>and I'd rather embrace the fear.</b><b>Yeah, embrace the fear</b><b>and just embrace it all.</b><b>It does beg the question and this is</b><b>like maybe we get into</b><b>philosophical or out front</b><b>of the board.</b><b>Let's do it.</b><b>Is around the job side of it.</b><b>And let's say let's look at it from a</b><b>developer standpoint is</b><b>the probably the easiest one</b><b>where you now have tools like let's</b><b>cloud for example, AI like 3.5.</b><b>What do you call it?</b><b>Claude 3.5.</b><b>I said, I think you said cloud.</b><b>I did say cloud because</b><b>my brain went to cloud.</b><b>I am cloud.</b><b>I am cloud.</b><b>Welcome.</b><b>Claude AI.</b><b>So the ability for it to produce front</b><b>end code is outstanding.</b><b>You can fast track.</b><b>You use artifacts as well.</b><b>Oh yeah, yeah, it's insane.</b><b>I love it.</b><b>And imagine, you know, we go back a</b><b>couple years, you get a</b><b>front end developer doing</b><b>something and take three days, but now</b><b>they can do a lot of the</b><b>work in an hour, fixing</b><b>a few things and tweaking some stuff.</b><b>It's fancy.</b><b>How should that person charge the same</b><b>amount of time for all</b><b>their effort in that smaller</b><b>amount of time or should they be now</b><b>looking at other ways to</b><b>improve things to fill in</b><b>the gaps that would usually take up</b><b>three days of their time</b><b>or do they now only have</b><b>to charge an hour of their time to fix</b><b>and implement things?</b><b>So on that consulting kind of side of</b><b>things, it's very akin to</b><b>the movie Margin Call, which</b><b>is from Capital Markets Days where</b><b>Jeremy Irons walks in and</b><b>people are worried about</b><b>the price that they're selling.</b><b>They're selling bad assets basically to</b><b>their, you know, other firms and stuff.</b><b>And there's an</b><b>existential kind of crisis in there.</b><b>It's like, well, these are worthless.</b><b>We're selling them at</b><b>that high kind of thing.</b><b>And it's kind of the same thing.</b><b>And his point was is that you sell at</b><b>what the market is willing to pay for.</b><b>And sure, you could be that first</b><b>leader in there in that</b><b>consulting space that goes,</b><b>no, I'm actually going to charge half</b><b>because, you know, or</b><b>whatever it is, I'm going to</b><b>charge the fair market value.</b><b>I think it's this up to you.</b><b>I think the market on average is going</b><b>to be the dictator of</b><b>like where charges are</b><b>going to be because if you're too high,</b><b>people are just going to</b><b>go in droves to someone</b><b>else if you're too low because you see</b><b>that thing with art.</b><b>Like someone puts a piece of art out,</b><b>it's like a hundred bucks.</b><b>I don't want to buy it.</b><b>It's $10,000.</b><b>I want to take a look at it.</b><b>Oh yeah, it's really good.</b><b>Like I now want to buy it.</b><b>So you've got to find that level.</b><b>There's a bit of an</b><b>art form and guess what?</b><b>AI can help with that.</b><b>But I think it's that.</b><b>I think it's the</b><b>market's going to decide.</b><b>So you can have your existential</b><b>crisis, but it doesn't.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Put it this way.</b><b>Charge as much as you can.</b><b>We charge more for that one hour.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>That was like that little five minute</b><b>thing that's going to cost me later on.</b><b>Like Chris charges me for all of this.</b><b>So yeah, buy the second as well.</b><b>Buy the hours.</b><b>I'm actually thinking about that.</b><b>Like when you're sitting in a place</b><b>where in your end</b><b>startup world, you know, rents</b><b>a thing and obviously other costs, but</b><b>just for rent, you</b><b>should have like the first of</b><b>the month after you pay your rent.</b><b>You've got like something that is just</b><b>like raising in price,</b><b>you know, divided by 31</b><b>days, your X many thousand</b><b>rent, and it just gets higher.</b><b>So by the 15th day, you're looking</b><b>like, wow, that's how</b><b>much rent what a motivator</b><b>I would be so scared to look at that</b><b>number just to even a mortgage.</b><b>Imagine a form of mortgage.</b><b>Oh my gosh.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>And here's the interest</b><b>rate that's put on top of it.</b><b>It's a mortgage calculator.</b><b>It's a mortgage reminder.</b><b>It's like you actually haven't even</b><b>touched your mortgage.</b><b>It's the greatest motivator.</b><b>You're only paying off the interest.</b><b>You don't need Gary Vaynerchuk.</b><b>You don't need all that.</b><b>You just need like a picture of your</b><b>partner, spouse, et cetera.</b><b>And</b><b>it's dead dead dead.</b><b>It'd be funny if it</b><b>actually gets angry over time.</b><b>Like it smiles at first when it's like</b><b>near zero and then it</b><b>just gets progressively</b><b>angry.</b><b>Anyway, what are we talking about?</b><b>Should we jump into</b><b>some quick news stuff?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>I thought this would be an interesting</b><b>thing for us to start.</b><b>You saw something</b><b>recently was the last time.</b><b>I mean, so I mean, I'll skim through a</b><b>lot of things, but the</b><b>last night was obviously</b><b>the Samsung unpacked.</b><b>I was a little bit disappointed with</b><b>what they were showing.</b><b>I think a lot of it had already kind of</b><b>leaked and you know, the</b><b>good old technology world</b><b>leaking things before</b><b>they actually get announced.</b><b>So the new flip phones, the Z Fold and</b><b>the flip, you have a new</b><b>set of earbuds that are</b><b>coming out kind of looking a bit like</b><b>the Apple, the iPod Pros.</b><b>Samsung is going down that right now</b><b>with a cool extra</b><b>features like to differentiate</b><b>itself.</b><b>We had the Ring, which</b><b>was their big announcement.</b><b>The Ring.</b><b>Oh, the Samsung Ring.</b><b>No, not the Ring.</b><b>The movie.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>They've done a whole new horror stream</b><b>of devices coming out.</b><b>Now, so the Samsung Ring, which is, you</b><b>know, the benefit of</b><b>health and other things for</b><b>tracking on your finger.</b><b>Oh, very cool.</b><b>Seven days of battery life.</b><b>So it had some cool announcements in</b><b>that, but something that</b><b>I wanted them to push was</b><b>that AI agenda a bit further.</b><b>And they only touched</b><b>on a couple of things.</b><b>There were some new</b><b>features with images generating.</b><b>You could draw into the note, into your</b><b>note now and it can</b><b>click a generator and it can</b><b>turn it into like a fancy art piece.</b><b>Fancy and very, very bracketed.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>Or common, I should say that.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>But if we compare it to things like</b><b>what Apple's done or what Apple's</b><b>upcoming with their AI</b><b>stuff, I feel like this was the</b><b>opportunity for them to push a little</b><b>bit harder, a little</b><b>bit further.</b><b>And I don't think they've separated</b><b>themselves out enough in</b><b>that space to keep holding on</b><b>to the benefits they</b><b>had for it in the AI.</b><b>And I was a bit disappointed by that.</b><b>I wonder if they're just</b><b>being cautious or something.</b><b>It's just one of those things that they</b><b>don't want to oversell</b><b>because they've seen, you</b><b>know, we spoke about this in a previous</b><b>one a little bit and</b><b>I've written about it.</b><b>But the whole kind of like rabbit in</b><b>the hair, where open AI</b><b>is going out with like Sora</b><b>and all these crazy things and stuff,</b><b>and then they don't</b><b>release it or they delay things</b><b>like voice.</b><b>And then you've got Luma runway and</b><b>others and Claude and</b><b>Tropic that is coming out with</b><b>stuff.</b><b>And when they say it, it's out there.</b><b>So I do wonder if there's a bit of</b><b>caution because yeah, I heard a lot.</b><b>Like when they did the S-24, my brother</b><b>shared as Patrick, he</b><b>got the S-24 and has been</b><b>playing around with it.</b><b>And he's like, oh, it's got some AI</b><b>features and stuff in here.</b><b>So I thought that</b><b>they'd go harder at that.</b><b>So did I.</b><b>So did I.</b><b>I mean, because if you look at the</b><b>branding of the actual</b><b>event itself, there was the</b><b>had they've got the AI</b><b>logo, they'll sprint it over it.</b><b>And like I said, they</b><b>did mention a few things.</b><b>Another one I missed is like they did</b><b>put some AI stuff into</b><b>the health, into the health</b><b>program that they use the health tool,</b><b>the Samsung's health.</b><b>And the ring itself, when it collects</b><b>all the data, there's a</b><b>bit of AI to help visualize</b><b>and talk to you about, you know, things</b><b>you need to change and</b><b>do in the health space,</b><b>depending on whatever</b><b>is tracked against you.</b><b>But it's, but that was it.</b><b>It was just really minor.</b><b>I thought there'd be some more</b><b>integration, some more</b><b>improvements to the existing AI</b><b>infrastructure that they've gotten to</b><b>the tool into the</b><b>actual phones themselves.</b><b>The share process</b><b>hasn't moved much either.</b><b>Like they've done that</b><b>and it's pretty flat.</b><b>It's up barely, barely up on the day.</b><b>And it's trading down right now because</b><b>the Korean markets are open.</b><b>I'm just looking at it here on Google.</b><b>But yeah, interesting that it hasn't</b><b>really taken much effect</b><b>and that it didn't say AI</b><b>much.</b><b>Have you seen news</b><b>articles like from this morning?</b><b>No, not on the AI fund.</b><b>That's the thing.</b><b>It's been a very hard</b><b>push on the tech itself.</b><b>You look at any of the YouTubers, if</b><b>you look at any of the</b><b>blogs that are going out, even</b><b>on some of the news presses, it's all</b><b>just been about the</b><b>devices with the flip phones,</b><b>the even markers, the headphones, even</b><b>markers, apparently didn't</b><b>eat like he even he mentioned</b><b>like not much was said about around AI</b><b>and in the whole</b><b>discussion other than the existing</b><b>tools and slight tweaks.</b><b>I think maybe maybe look, it could be</b><b>them just being cautious</b><b>or it could be them just</b><b>being pragmatic with it.</b><b>And I think I've seen this with others</b><b>where they don't want to talk about AI.</b><b>They want to talk</b><b>about what it enables.</b><b>It's like, hey, we, you could say one</b><b>thing where this company</b><b>we're using AI to do this</b><b>or you can say we're doing this really</b><b>well for customers.</b><b>You should buy our product and not</b><b>really having to</b><b>mention the technology.</b><b>So maybe maybe it's that who knows?</b><b>Maybe we'll see what happens.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>What else you got?</b><b>A lot of interesting, like, I mean, it</b><b>kind of hints on the</b><b>stuff that we just talked</b><b>about with the audio that you played</b><b>back is there's a lot of</b><b>issues around plagiarism</b><b>that are now occurring and I give</b><b>permission for a fake mark.</b><b>Yeah, I did not, but I'm here for it.</b><b>So I'm all good with it.</b><b>You can, you can get away with it this</b><b>one time that happens again.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>That's it.</b><b>So the, yeah, so there's a lot of</b><b>plagiarism that's been going</b><b>about with people releasing</b><b>articles that are clearly</b><b>using AI to write this stuff.</b><b>I saw a really hilarious one.</b><b>This would have been a couple of weeks</b><b>ago where someone had</b><b>done a tech article on some</b><b>new tech that was being released and I</b><b>talked about the latest</b><b>and best GPUs for 2024.</b><b>And they were calling out the 2000</b><b>Nvidia series, which</b><b>were like four or five years</b><b>old.</b><b>And they were like, oh, this is this</b><b>person has clearly used</b><b>AI to write this article.</b><b>It's the wrong stuff.</b><b>And they've got the wrong stuff or</b><b>they're, they're rag</b><b>model if they were using their</b><b>own documents.</b><b>And this is, this speaks to the whole</b><b>hallucinations thing and</b><b>inaccuracies that I want to get</b><b>into later.</b><b>But like, you know, it's only as good</b><b>as the information you</b><b>feed and it's only as good</b><b>as how you steer it.</b><b>And if you don't steer it to the right</b><b>kind of information,</b><b>like they probably didn't</b><b>there, they just asked a general</b><b>question probably from the model, it's</b><b>going to give you bad</b><b>answers.</b><b>And then worse is if you don't actually</b><b>check the work that</b><b>comes out and you just push</b><b>it out there, that's three bad things.</b><b>My goodness.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But then the wires come out with an</b><b>article in a similar</b><b>space, just talking around how</b><b>because of the trending word language</b><b>around AI, people are now putting it</b><b>into their articles,</b><b>even when there's no real intention to</b><b>talk about it, which is</b><b>now bolstering their results</b><b>in Google.</b><b>So now people are impacting SEO with</b><b>stories that aren't</b><b>actually relevant just to get</b><b>more attention in the SEO space, which</b><b>is quite interesting.</b><b>So there's like a flip side for how AI</b><b>is such a big hot topic at the moment.</b><b>It's creating a lot of irrelevance of</b><b>what people are talking about.</b><b>That is scary.</b><b>The AI bots is another one that's been</b><b>coming up a lot now with</b><b>particularly, I mean, we</b><b>saw this quite a while ago with Google</b><b>releasing their AI bot,</b><b>which was able to answer and</b><b>talk and phone calls for you, right?</b><b>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</b><b>A couple of years ago</b><b>and we were like, wow.</b><b>And it did it without</b><b>saying, hey, I'm an AI.</b><b>And that is now becoming a more</b><b>prominent thing with</b><b>people on websites because these</b><b>LLMs are able to have such really good</b><b>conversations, making the user feel</b><b>like they're talking</b><b>to a human and saying</b><b>to them, I am a human.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Really, that is not the case at all.</b><b>So that lying, which comes back to all</b><b>your thing is becoming</b><b>more and more prominent,</b><b>which is quite interesting.</b><b>What's your take on that?</b><b>Like, do you think AI people using AI</b><b>tools, should it be called out more or?</b><b>I think it's a double edged sword</b><b>because you see Adobe, they did</b><b>something that pissed</b><b>off their users because they labeled</b><b>everything that had</b><b>even the slightest hint.</b><b>And it wasn't even generative AI, which</b><b>I think there's a</b><b>clear distinction between</b><b>generative AI and the AI</b><b>that you use within the tool.</b><b>But you're the one that's</b><b>removing the background.</b><b>You're the one that's doing this versus</b><b>like the, it's almost</b><b>like automated AI where you</b><b>just describe something</b><b>and you get it to do stuff.</b><b>But even then, whether it's Figma or</b><b>Adobe, even if you're, you</b><b>don't know how to go through</b><b>all the steps to do something or even</b><b>if you do, but it's just</b><b>faster, that should not</b><b>be punished.</b><b>Like there were all these images</b><b>labeled as AI and then</b><b>they had to relabel it with a</b><b>more generic kind of label so that it</b><b>wouldn't sound as bad.</b><b>But still, it just leads to this thing</b><b>where unless you do</b><b>nothing to an image, you don't</b><b>touch it up, you don't do whatever.</b><b>You don't use something that's got AI</b><b>or you know everything</b><b>in the Adobe suite that</b><b>has AI in it.</b><b>Unless you know that you can't then go</b><b>use and create</b><b>something that doesn't have that</b><b>dreaded potential AI label there.</b><b>I think it's such a dangerous kind of</b><b>game on the one hand.</b><b>On the other hand,</b><b>we do need to protect.</b><b>So it's only bad if you think AI having</b><b>about AI label assisted</b><b>by AI, whatever is a bad</b><b>thing.</b><b>Now, at the moment, we haven't had</b><b>enough education, we haven't</b><b>had enough public discourse.</b><b>It's just been, as always with new</b><b>things, it's the fear</b><b>that comes there first.</b><b>When there's more mainstream.</b><b>It's moved so fast, right?</b><b>Because as move so.</b><b>Because as we jump on what's going on.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And it goes back to open AI wanting to</b><b>release this stuff so</b><b>that we're not just shocked</b><b>in five years time when we get AI</b><b>robots walking down the street.</b><b>They wanted to push and this is the</b><b>flip side to seeing that</b><b>actually it's a good thing</b><b>because we would get that shock if all</b><b>of a sudden, if it</b><b>wasn't for, you know, if we</b><b>can see chat TVT, then all of a sudden</b><b>it's 2024 and we see all the</b><b>capabilities AI tools</b><b>have right now.</b><b>I think that would be far scarier than</b><b>the drip feeding that</b><b>we've had even though it's</b><b>been drip feeding slash</b><b>water board torturing.</b><b>I don't know, like depends on how you</b><b>look at it, but it's all context.</b><b>But I just think that right now it's</b><b>hard to say I think</b><b>it'll be probably perceived</b><b>more negatively just right</b><b>now with things like that.</b><b>But over time, we'll</b><b>just come to accept that.</b><b>I remember when I was a kid, it's in</b><b>the 90s and I saw</b><b>someone walking outside past my</b><b>place and it looked like he was talking</b><b>to himself like, what is going on here?</b><b>He's talking to himself.</b><b>He had a Bluetooth earphone and it was</b><b>the one where you just</b><b>have it in the one side</b><b>and with like the little piece that</b><b>came out like closer to</b><b>your mouth, kids would turn</b><b>around and be like, I</b><b>could see you back in the 90s.</b><b>There used to be these</b><b>things called non smartphones.</b><b>And yeah, so it was</b><b>just connected to that.</b><b>And he was just talking on it and early</b><b>my first seeing of it.</b><b>It's just like, what is going on?</b><b>This is weird, right?</b><b>And I think that's that's kind of what.</b><b>We're seeing, you know, right now.</b><b>So yeah, my answer is my answer.</b><b>And that's all I have</b><b>to say about my answer.</b><b>I think it's a good point.</b><b>And a lot of you can see like</b><b>Instagram, for example, now is even</b><b>calling out when it texts</b><b>that there's been some kind of AI</b><b>engagement into any of the images.</b><b>It calls it out for people when they're</b><b>looking through Instagram now.</b><b>On Samsung, the moment you edit, I</b><b>mean, you can you can edit</b><b>out the watermark, but if</b><b>you do any editing to the image with</b><b>AI, it puts a little</b><b>watermark stamp on it to</b><b>indicate to you that it is AI.</b><b>What's up has that too, because meta,</b><b>you can make images</b><b>with meta, you can talk to</b><b>me about stuff.</b><b>But if you make images in WhatsApp and</b><b>put it into the chat, it</b><b>has that watermark there.</b><b>Yeah, just cool and all.</b><b>But the flip side to watermarks and</b><b>there's been studies on</b><b>this now, sure, it just makes</b><b>it simple, like right there and then</b><b>but you could either have</b><b>things that there's ways</b><b>to take off the watermark.</b><b>Easy, easy.</b><b>But then the flip side is that false</b><b>positives, you could label</b><b>things that are notch, you</b><b>know, AI, you put an AI label on it and</b><b>for harm, for example.</b><b>So it's a really interesting thing.</b><b>People have thought about other ways to</b><b>do it, like with the</b><b>metadata that's inside and</b><b>potentially using blockchain.</b><b>I was going to say</b><b>blockchain, of course.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But anyways, we'll get into that a</b><b>little bit more later, but</b><b>or another episode, I don't</b><b>know.</b><b>It's really fascinating the perceptions</b><b>that people will have</b><b>with tools like this.</b><b>Something I came across, which I</b><b>thought was really interesting is, have</b><b>you heard of Humbot?</b><b>Humbot.</b><b>I feel like there's a</b><b>few M's missing in there.</b><b>Have you ever, you've written stuff, I</b><b>mean, you've used</b><b>Psyche, you've used ChuggBT and</b><b>the works.</b><b>Have you ever looked at the writing</b><b>that's come out of it</b><b>and been like, oh, there's</b><b>a little bit too AI.</b><b>It delves into a lot of delving, a lot</b><b>of delve, delve, delve, delve, delve.</b><b>That was a funny article.</b><b>There was an article you shared where</b><b>there was a guy who had obviously</b><b>discovered a single</b><b>word and then just like repeated that</b><b>word all throughout his group.</b><b>Oh, and he found a way to like break.</b><b>I forget what it's called, but if you</b><b>get it to non-stop</b><b>repeat words and it doesn't</b><b>work anymore, sometimes maybe it does,</b><b>but it would break and</b><b>actually reveal some of</b><b>the training data that was data.</b><b>See, maybe I do sound like my Aussie</b><b>robot, but yeah, there</b><b>was that kind of stuff that</b><b>was out there and I was just going to</b><b>say on the delve thing,</b><b>but they figured out why</b><b>delve is a thing because</b><b>it's in the training data.</b><b>It's apparently there's a lot of the</b><b>use of the word delve is</b><b>there in a lot of these</b><b>pub med articles for</b><b>research that it was trained on.</b><b>But anyway, going back to the Humbot, I</b><b>do see that there's, it's</b><b>easy to tell when someone's</b><b>just used AI without crafting it.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And so this tool is a way now to get</b><b>around that, which is</b><b>kind of, it's a bit of an odd</b><b>thing with, I mean, it might benefit</b><b>people who kind of use AI</b><b>for the wrong reasons when</b><b>they're creating articles and stuff</b><b>like that, but essentially yeah,</b><b>students is a perfect</b><b>example of it, but it's a way now you</b><b>can take the text, put it</b><b>into Humbot and it tries</b><b>to humanize it a little</b><b>bit more using its own AI.</b><b>So it's like a trainer upon a trainer.</b><b>Something that's interesting there,</b><b>have you seen like,</b><b>people were doing this early on</b><b>and you probably do this when you were</b><b>seeing chat GBT, people were using</b><b>tools like Quillbot</b><b>and just anything that's like a</b><b>thesaurus because it</b><b>would change like the words.</b><b>It would take what you've written, say</b><b>the same thing, but</b><b>just with different words</b><b>from the thesaurus.</b><b>Yes, exactly.</b><b>So I'm sure that they do more to it,</b><b>but like some of the</b><b>detectors that came out straight</b><b>away were detecting</b><b>false positives as well.</b><b>So they were doing things like the way</b><b>that you humans</b><b>normally, and this is like very</b><b>generic, so it's not quite true, but</b><b>humans normally speak with burstiness.</b><b>Some sentences long, some sentences</b><b>short, like up and</b><b>down and stuff like that.</b><b>And then perplexity, the complex words,</b><b>sometimes there's complex</b><b>words, sometimes not like</b><b>it's just different</b><b>levels of perplexity.</b><b>Maybe it's like high and we don't just</b><b>use all the same kind of bland words.</b><b>Like it's more of a word</b><b>salad when humans speak.</b><b>It's like that.</b><b>But using just those two kind of</b><b>features that were like rating things</b><b>as like, I probably</b><b>90% probably AI versus not problem was</b><b>is that you could feed</b><b>in old text into it and</b><b>goes, yeah, it's probably</b><b>AI, depending on how you wrote.</b><b>So I fed in like old things I wrote on</b><b>LinkedIn and goes,</b><b>yeah, this is like 70% AI.</b><b>Like sure it is.</b><b>Wait, hang on.</b><b>Maybe, maybe it's true.</b><b>It's an existential thing.</b><b>And it's like, I was gonna</b><b>say, maybe you are an AI.</b><b>There you go, folks.</b><b>It's been discovered.</b><b>Wow.</b><b>But yeah, it's, it's,</b><b>I want to check it out.</b><b>I definitely want to check that out</b><b>because I think it's interesting.</b><b>Using this use to save time, the</b><b>malpractice kind of like,</b><b>oh, they're going to use it</b><b>for like bad things.</b><b>It depends on how you're using it.</b><b>Really like you can use the internet</b><b>current tools that we've got.</b><b>You could use the phone.</b><b>You could use so much stuff for bad</b><b>copy paste shit out of other people's</b><b>articles and Google</b><b>story all the time.</b><b>Like exactly.</b><b>I think about the budget.</b><b>There was coffee, paste police because</b><b>we went so hard to copy paste.</b><b>We actually have police out there.</b><b>What do you do?</b><b>I'm the copy paste police.</b><b>Is that legal?</b><b>You should see the South</b><b>Park episode about this.</b><b>I won't get into it.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>Copy right.</b><b>Nvidia, obviously one of the largest</b><b>players in the chip</b><b>market with video and AI.</b><b>Interesting thing I've been seeing is</b><b>that or hearing about</b><b>is that shift around how</b><b>businesses now, you know, probably</b><b>mainly the bigger players,</b><b>but they're actually starting</b><b>to do their own chips in their sense.</b><b>So you got like Google, Amazon, Apple,</b><b>even with that got their</b><b>M3s, you got Snapdragon</b><b>coming out and you know, overshadowing</b><b>things like Intel, which</b><b>is a big play to try and</b><b>I guess bolster their own profits by</b><b>controlling the technology that</b><b>underpins all of their</b><b>AI tools.</b><b>There what I was, what I thought was</b><b>interesting about this is there's,</b><b>there's both an upside</b><b>and a downside to this.</b><b>Well, the downside, which I'll talk</b><b>about first, is more,</b><b>there's more products that</b><b>are coming out into the market from a</b><b>tech place, which is</b><b>really going to start saturating</b><b>the decisions you make around the</b><b>tools, the technologies that you use.</b><b>Like do I buy this device or that</b><b>device that have different chips?</b><b>Why would I want to</b><b>choose either of them?</b><b>There's more education required, which</b><b>could open up more</b><b>opportunities for people to train</b><b>and educate others on it.</b><b>So it's creating a</b><b>more confusing market.</b><b>On the upside though, is that what</b><b>we're going to start</b><b>seeing is a lot of innovation in</b><b>this space, which is quite exciting</b><b>from a tech perspective</b><b>because the competition is</b><b>now increasing more than ever.</b><b>I think over the last sort of five, six</b><b>years, you have things</b><b>like AMD and Nvidia have</b><b>been the largest GPU</b><b>players in the market.</b><b>No one has come close to competing with</b><b>pretty much Nvidia</b><b>skyrocketing over the last couple</b><b>years, right?</b><b>Taiwan semiconductor as well.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But like all of those big chip</b><b>manufacturers or the people who are</b><b>controlling these GPUs</b><b>in particular have</b><b>been just dominating.</b><b>And now with the, you know, with Apple</b><b>creating their M3 chips,</b><b>and now with the potential</b><b>that's coming out of the other chips</b><b>that are being produced</b><b>from the light, Snapdragon,</b><b>et cetera.</b><b>Like there's going to be some</b><b>interesting technology</b><b>changes I think that are going</b><b>to happen over the</b><b>next couple of years.</b><b>I think that there's definitely like a</b><b>lot of opportunities for companies now.</b><b>It used to be that the opportunity was</b><b>only in the software space, right?</b><b>And now you've got hardware being a</b><b>thing like tonight, the</b><b>talk that we're doing down</b><b>at and obviously this is filmed in</b><b>front of a live studio.</b><b>This is filmed and you know, it will</b><b>be, it will have been</b><b>completed by the time people</b><b>watch this, but Dell technologies and</b><b>fish burners are doing something</b><b>downstairs tonight.</b><b>And it's Dell providing hardware.</b><b>Like you've got Microsoft doing the</b><b>laptops with some</b><b>limited capabilities right now,</b><b>but that's the worst that will be.</b><b>It will only get better.</b><b>Dell's doing the same,</b><b>you know, AI capabilities.</b><b>And the thing there I believe is that</b><b>it's going to make it</b><b>easier to do things on your</b><b>own device, develop and</b><b>test and try things out.</b><b>And they've recently released their new</b><b>XPS Snapdragons in the</b><b>13, 14, I think an up inch</b><b>laptop sizes, which are pretty cool.</b><b>And I mean, the biggest</b><b>benefit there is battery life.</b><b>Like previously Intel hasn't been able</b><b>to compete with the</b><b>likes of Apple with any of</b><b>their chips because they're</b><b>so, they're so power hungry.</b><b>So all the laptops that have come out</b><b>in the, in the window</b><b>space, you know, they last</b><b>seven hours, five hours sometimes where</b><b>Apple is, you know,</b><b>surpassing 10 with some of their</b><b>devices with the Snapdragon laptops.</b><b>They're, we're hitting those marks now</b><b>in some instances</b><b>beating them on the lower end</b><b>Apple devices.</b><b>So that's, that's yeah.</b><b>It's opportunity.</b><b>Dell is going to be quite an</b><b>interesting player in that space</b><b>because they're obviously a</b><b>huge, have a huge market.</b><b>Dell, Dell's into, you got this, you</b><b>got this AI help me</b><b>help me, help me completely</b><b>the sentence, which is exactly what,</b><b>how we started off like</b><b>GPT two was just a good</b><b>sentence complete.</b><b>Good.</b><b>It was a sentence complete.</b><b>So yeah, crazy.</b><b>Obviously the economics of AI getting</b><b>bigger, there's a lot of</b><b>power concerns that are starting</b><b>to merge in the market.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>There's a big focus on how we, how we</b><b>optimize that and</b><b>obviously arise a lot of people who</b><b>are challenging it.</b><b>And I mean, the biggest issue is the</b><b>fact that we had, we've</b><b>come out of that blockchain</b><b>era, which is also how</b><b>hungry, how hungry thing.</b><b>And now we're adding AI on top of that.</b><b>All the gamers must be just</b><b>like hating this in one way.</b><b>Cause they're like, Oh, the chips are</b><b>still so expensive blockchain folks.</b><b>And it's like, now</b><b>it's AI, bloody AI folks.</b><b>But on the flip side, AI has a lot of</b><b>benefits to gamers.</b><b>The stuff that's</b><b>coming out is pretty cool.</b><b>And I will definitely</b><b>touch on that in a second.</b><b>Cause that's a passion space of mine.</b><b>Oh yeah.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>Like blockchain is, face this and they</b><b>would call it in that space FUD, right?</b><b>Maybe this is the first time for a lot</b><b>of people that are working in AI.</b><b>I don't know when that just happened.</b><b>Something disconnected there folks.</b><b>Yeah, let's just turn it off.</b><b>We don't need it.</b><b>Is it your laptop?</b><b>Is your laptop hibernated?</b><b>No, it's not.</b><b>It's zero hibernation.</b><b>Go to inputs.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Click on the HDMI two.</b><b>Just needs to turn back on.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Continue.</b><b>That was weird folks.</b><b>Anyway, take two,</b><b>take three, take three.</b><b>So what are we talking about?</b><b>Economics, energy consumption.</b><b>Oh yeah.</b><b>If you're coming from the blockchain</b><b>space, you would have</b><b>seen this kind of stuff and</b><b>it's probably new for some folks that</b><b>didn't come from that.</b><b>And what I'm saying is, is that there</b><b>are people that are</b><b>working in tech that have</b><b>faced the backlash.</b><b>Always.</b><b>Environmental.</b><b>Every new innovation has</b><b>some kind of energy backlash.</b><b>So weird.</b><b>Every new innovation has some</b><b>technology backlash.</b><b>I've turned it off.</b><b>Because you were speaking about energy</b><b>consumption, it's like,</b><b>I'm going to get out of here.</b><b>People are kidding.</b><b>But this is literally a new TV.</b><b>So this room we're</b><b>sitting upstairs here, folks.</b><b>There's a new TV that</b><b>is going to be installed.</b><b>And it's just sitting over here.</b><b>We didn't get the</b><b>time to do it ourselves.</b><b>Anyway, my point is</b><b>that we call it FUD.</b><b>Fear Uncertainty Endowed.</b><b>And it was a way for the blockchain</b><b>space to call out the criticisms.</b><b>And some would use it as like, oh,</b><b>you're just FUD-ing and stuff.</b><b>And it's like some of these critiques</b><b>are true right now, but</b><b>it doesn't mean that the</b><b>AI or the technology is static.</b><b>And so blockchain evolved to overcome</b><b>some of those critiques.</b><b>And just the same thing</b><b>that we're seeing with AI.</b><b>And on the energy side of things, we're</b><b>doing exactly the same.</b><b>It's like energy is like, oh, you're</b><b>using so much power and</b><b>stuff and consumption.</b><b>Now in the world of energy, like a lot</b><b>of stuff is going towards green.</b><b>So in a future where everything is</b><b>green, and yes, we're not there yet.</b><b>And there's like a</b><b>lot of ups and downs.</b><b>There's a lot more complexity.</b><b>That's a whole other thing to get into.</b><b>But just hypothetical in a future that</b><b>is heading towards one</b><b>way, which is much greener,</b><b>then these fears about energy</b><b>consumption are not a thing anymore.</b><b>So it's interesting.</b><b>I'll be cautious</b><b>about how you say that.</b><b>I don't think that this, I mean, in the</b><b>future, yes, we're going</b><b>to get, we were, our goal</b><b>is to get more greener.</b><b>But if we keep using more energy,</b><b>obviously that goal to</b><b>reach that point is going to</b><b>get further and further and further and</b><b>further and further away.</b><b>Definitely nuance and stuff to it.</b><b>So I don't think it's on any of these</b><b>channels here, but there's</b><b>definitely a lot more into</b><b>that and we're not unpacking that here.</b><b>That's not fair for us</b><b>to do, but the AI will.</b><b>I'm just joking.</b><b>So what else you got?</b><b>I just typed it in.</b><b>We're already solving it.</b><b>Video generation.</b><b>This has been a big thing.</b><b>I think it's been one of those places</b><b>where AI has been</b><b>trying to take a lot of, take</b><b>its space over and so we can do some</b><b>generation without having to worry</b><b>about, you know, text</b><b>to video.</b><b>That's the dream, right?</b><b>We could just write what we want and</b><b>then suddenly there's</b><b>beautiful video appears.</b><b>And there's been quite a lot of new</b><b>launches that have been</b><b>coming out over the last couple</b><b>months, which I wanted to touch on</b><b>stuff that I've been</b><b>playing with recently.</b><b>So making the video for our intro, I</b><b>was trying to, I was trying</b><b>to dip that into trying to,</b><b>but I think the manual input is still</b><b>high need in this space</b><b>and it's getting there.</b><b>But we've got the likes of, you know,</b><b>Lumadry machine, which we know about.</b><b>That's been one of the biggest players</b><b>that's come out with the</b><b>new update over the last</b><b>couple of weeks, which has been pretty,</b><b>which has been really powerful.</b><b>They've hit the ground running with a</b><b>lot of, you know, merging</b><b>imagery with your contextual</b><b>inputs and then to create</b><b>the video as the output.</b><b>But again, still</b><b>needs a lot of tweaking.</b><b>We've got some organizations over in</b><b>China, which have released some pretty</b><b>cool new technologies</b><b>with the likes of Pika, which is still</b><b>a bit fiddly, but again,</b><b>pretty, pretty awesome.</b><b>And then you've got Leonardo motion,</b><b>which has come out with</b><b>the new updates recently</b><b>as well, but they're very like snip</b><b>bite bite size content.</b><b>So you put an image in there and it</b><b>turns that image into</b><b>some kind of 3d render and</b><b>it does it really, really well.</b><b>It's actually quite cool.</b><b>So have you been</b><b>playing around with it?</b><b>I played around with, I haven't played</b><b>around with Pika, but</b><b>with Luma and Leonardo.</b><b>Yeah, I played around with those.</b><b>It's very, very cool.</b><b>I was going to say that I've seen some</b><b>of the examples that</b><b>are out there and they're</b><b>mind blowing.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>It's, it's crazy looking stuff that's</b><b>out there and no doubt</b><b>there's going to be more</b><b>full length kind of things.</b><b>It's just like with Suno,</b><b>which is for the music side.</b><b>The first ones that came out for people</b><b>listening to our podcast,</b><b>that intro, that's a Suno</b><b>generated intro.</b><b>Crazy.</b><b>And, you know, I've been</b><b>playing around more with that.</b><b>Like I did something yesterday.</b><b>I won't play it here, but where I take</b><b>a blog that I wrote about</b><b>like a while ago, it was</b><b>like blockchain, remixing blockchain</b><b>and comparing it to hip hop and how</b><b>artists will take old</b><b>and mix it in with new and</b><b>create new things from that.</b><b>But take this</b><b>article chat GPT or Claude.</b><b>I think I use Claude in</b><b>this case as an example, cloud.</b><b>I use cloud because they're doing arts.</b><b>And so cloud basically took it and</b><b>created lyrics and</b><b>it goes, he's a verse.</b><b>He's a chorus.</b><b>He's a refrain.</b><b>He is like all these like, I don't</b><b>know, music things.</b><b>I don't know.</b><b>Right.</b><b>But it created it.</b><b>I throw that into Suno and it just</b><b>asked me like, what's the stone?</b><b>I said, uh, 2000s, hip</b><b>hop, funky, blah, blah, blah.</b><b>And it came up with some interesting,</b><b>you know, and it is a</b><b>roll of the dice because</b><b>there's not much that you can do to</b><b>control apart from</b><b>just describing things.</b><b>I could have described it better, but</b><b>it's interesting that</b><b>you could turn a whole lot</b><b>of content.</b><b>I could turn this episode like now that</b><b>you've listened to Chris</b><b>and Mark's talk a little</b><b>bit.</b><b>This whole thing has been an AI.</b><b>Oh, people don't realize it's crazy.</b><b>None of what we've said</b><b>is, um, what is real anymore?</b><b>What is real?</b><b>What is real?</b><b>That is the question.</b><b>Like, how do we know that everyone is</b><b>not AI themselves and stuff?</b><b>That's it.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Lana's not going to</b><b>know your little daughter.</b><b>She's not going to know.</b><b>She's also AI.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Oh, that's, I'm living in,</b><b>I'm living in a VR dream.</b><b>I love it.</b><b>It's, um, is it Blade Runner?</b><b>Where?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Blade Runner is great movie.</b><b>But in any case, I think, um, going</b><b>back to the video stuff,</b><b>we're going to see a lot</b><b>more of that.</b><b>We're going to use a lot more of it.</b><b>It was images before doing stuff for</b><b>clients and whatnot now</b><b>that video is becoming a thing.</b><b>It's going to be easier.</b><b>And it's this going back to it.</b><b>Are you going to be fearful of this or</b><b>are you going to embrace it?</b><b>Let the courts decide these things, um,</b><b>that are out there.</b><b>And I think that it is important to</b><b>find ways to be ethical in</b><b>terms of what you're doing.</b><b>Um, but it's just such a tough, you</b><b>know, I know some people</b><b>that maybe they don't want</b><b>to use it yet because they want to wait</b><b>until, um, you know, it's</b><b>all cleared up that it's</b><b>ethical to use and all that.</b><b>And I think that's,</b><b>that's very right to do.</b><b>But on the other hand, the flip side is</b><b>that when your</b><b>competitors are using it, do you</b><b>just stay behind?</b><b>If it's taking them one hour to do</b><b>something that takes you a</b><b>whole week and they can just</b><b>do so much more, do you stay behind?</b><b>Like where do we kind of like go here</b><b>in terms of like being a business and</b><b>staying competitive?</b><b>Because there's a line that you need to</b><b>figure out for yourself.</b><b>We can't do it.</b><b>Like it's up to you and you could be on</b><b>the other side and go,</b><b>I'm not touching anything</b><b>AI and like shouting at all the AI</b><b>people that are using</b><b>stuff whilst they're, you know,</b><b>it's so tough out there whenever there</b><b>are these transitions.</b><b>I don't know if we had this kind of</b><b>plagiarism copyright, like</b><b>this is unethical kind of</b><b>thing when it came to the internet.</b><b>So this is an interesting,</b><b>Oh, we definitely did.</b><b>Now you think about when the launch of</b><b>the internet, people</b><b>were copying things.</b><b>I think the difference is that it was</b><b>more into the real environment.</b><b>It wasn't stuff that was being</b><b>plagiarized and copied as</b><b>much on an online space, but</b><b>you know, people would take articles</b><b>and present them as their</b><b>own, write books as their own</b><b>and all that type of stuff.</b><b>So definitely the plagiarism factor has</b><b>always been there, but</b><b>it's skyrocketed more than</b><b>ever, right?</b><b>Unfortunately, it is, it is, it's</b><b>tough, but I think this is</b><b>part of what people need to</b><b>navigate and each individual kind of</b><b>context is going to,</b><b>it's going to depend because</b><b>you could have something where it's</b><b>like, Oh, so this is my context.</b><b>And it's like, Oh, you should do this.</b><b>And then they throw</b><b>something else in there.</b><b>It's like, Oh, well</b><b>then you should do that.</b><b>Oh, but then there's</b><b>also this consideration.</b><b>Okay, fine.</b><b>You should do this.</b><b>It's like that Simpsons one.</b><b>It's like the fro the fro get the fro.</b><b>You're like the fro is</b><b>like, it's only 10 cents.</b><b>It's like, Oh, that's</b><b>good, but it's cursed.</b><b>Oh, that's bad.</b><b>It's like, whatever, whatever the</b><b>emotional rollercoaster.</b><b>It's hard out there folks.</b><b>Like it's, but we're here to show you</b><b>that, um, how these</b><b>tools work and whatnot.</b><b>And just how we think about, um, some</b><b>of the potential</b><b>ethical dilemmas as well.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>I've got a bit of news.</b><b>Yeah, please.</b><b>So this is something that came out last</b><b>year from quantum</b><b>black, which is the con, one</b><b>of the consultancy arms</b><b>of the consultancy arm.</b><b>That is, I think it's the AI arm of</b><b>McKinsey last financial year.</b><b>No, this is, oh, well, yeah.</b><b>I mean, most</b><b>recently, so may 30, 20, 24.</b><b>Um, they're not in the future, Chris.</b><b>Were you thinking it was going to be</b><b>20, 20, five last year?</b><b>Ah, right.</b><b>So what I was not finished saying in</b><b>terms of my English was</b><b>the last year they came</b><b>out with this and this is the update.</b><b>Right.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>That was a, that was important button.</b><b>Oh, right.</b><b>The poise cut the what wire.</b><b>So anyways, McKinsey came out with this</b><b>report interactive.</b><b>You can see some cool stuff here.</b><b>I'm just going to skip ahead.</b><b>They talk about usage.</b><b>They talk about, um, areas that are</b><b>using at marketing's right up there.</b><b>But the important thing for me, and</b><b>this is actually what led</b><b>to my working in this space.</b><b>Thank you.</b><b>All these people that have put this</b><b>stuff together, this</b><b>one here, this chart right</b><b>here, let's get rid of the ad.</b><b>Probably made in cloud.</b><b>Probably made in cloud.</b><b>Could have been.</b><b>I, we could give this a cloud and go</b><b>recreate this website.</b><b>So, um, that first thing there that</b><b>it'd be hard to see, uh,</b><b>on the screen until you</b><b>actually see the chart, but it's</b><b>basically, uh, inaccuracies.</b><b>And this is from a server that they did</b><b>for businesses that they</b><b>spoke to that, uh, what's</b><b>your biggest concerns</b><b>and intellectual property.</b><b>And so privacy was a big thing as well</b><b>as inaccuracies and</b><b>it's still a big thing.</b><b>And it's actually gotten more</b><b>concerning for businesses, especially</b><b>the inaccuracy side</b><b>of things.</b><b>And we've talked, we see people talking</b><b>about this, like, Oh, I</b><b>use AI and it didn't give</b><b>me the right results or lawyers use it,</b><b>didn't check the results.</b><b>So that's their fault and then put it</b><b>in front of a judge.</b><b>And yes, it gave inaccurate results,</b><b>but you should have checked the work.</b><b>Like you would check</b><b>the work of a junior.</b><b>So my point is, is that this, um,</b><b>survey led to us getting</b><b>more deep at, um, my company</b><b>not centralized.</b><b>And then we built psych and now psych</b><b>is doing its roadshow</b><b>because we're raising capital</b><b>for it, which is great.</b><b>But this is what led to us building in</b><b>the way that we have</b><b>because inaccuracies need</b><b>to be addressed.</b><b>It came out.</b><b>It's an interesting thing because even</b><b>in a lot of the</b><b>conversations that I'm having</b><b>now with the, with the customers that I</b><b>have, I will be one of</b><b>the questions I will ask</b><b>before we go into engagement.</b><b>Is there opinion and</b><b>understanding of AI?</b><b>And therefore, are you comfortable that</b><b>we would utilize it or</b><b>do you have systems in</b><b>place that you use that</b><b>we can take advantage of?</b><b>Um, or can we introduce something and</b><b>make sure that we're</b><b>doing it in a secure way?</b><b>So therefore me having to shift how I</b><b>work to cater for the fact</b><b>that they may have risks,</b><b>concerns and stuff like that.</b><b>And that's actually been for a lot of</b><b>conversations, a really big, um, a big</b><b>and important piece</b><b>to be speaking about with them.</b><b>And I think it will</b><b>continue to be for a little while.</b><b>And we, we see it as a spectrum in</b><b>terms of the inaccuracies.</b><b>And on the one end of the spectrum is</b><b>just when you use a raw</b><b>GPT tool, I'd say raw like</b><b>cloud, like a chat GPT, et cetera.</b><b>And all you're doing is</b><b>just asking it a question.</b><b>Now obviously there's that whole hurdle</b><b>that most people have</b><b>to overcome that this is</b><b>not Google search.</b><b>Uh, although you can treat it if, if</b><b>filter, if connected in</b><b>the right way and using the</b><b>right tools, you can</b><b>use it like Google search.</b><b>So it's not to say that you can't, but</b><b>just by raw AI model,</b><b>it's not Google search.</b><b>And you know, if you're just using it</b><b>as that, the</b><b>hallucination rate is so much higher.</b><b>It will make stuff up.</b><b>But then if you use rag, which is</b><b>basically you give it</b><b>documents, you, you point it to</b><b>the website or you point it to the</b><b>documents, raw rag where you're not</b><b>even, like you just</b><b>got a thousand documents and you go</b><b>figure it out, you're</b><b>getting the AI to figure it</b><b>out.</b><b>So it's less</b><b>hallucinations, but still high, right?</b><b>Still higher than the next level, which</b><b>is where you, the expert</b><b>know that it's in these</b><b>documents.</b><b>And I want to compare it to what's in</b><b>these documents here</b><b>and you're curating them.</b><b>You get much better experience.</b><b>And then even better is where you're</b><b>doing that and not just</b><b>one shopping the answer,</b><b>not just going, here's the answer.</b><b>That's it.</b><b>No, you're going back and forth and</b><b>iterating and that whole kind of</b><b>spectrum validating</b><b>as well.</b><b>And validating it.</b><b>Very important.</b><b>And that's the massive thing that's</b><b>important here and</b><b>validating that humans have been</b><b>in the loop, being able to prove Chris,</b><b>that humans have been</b><b>in the loop, whether it's</b><b>for insurance or</b><b>accounting or like other industry.</b><b>This is where blockchain comes in and</b><b>what we put in because</b><b>we've got ways that you</b><b>can validate and psych that I did this.</b><b>I typed this in, I got this output, I</b><b>read it, but my point</b><b>back to the hallucinations,</b><b>we've spoken and written about this and</b><b>I'll put it in the show notes, but</b><b>reducing randomness,</b><b>which is stochasticity in data science</b><b>terms, but context, what's</b><b>the context that you give</b><b>it the information that you give it?</b><b>If you're giving the right kind of</b><b>information, less</b><b>likely to hallucinate.</b><b>If you're telling it the AI, what steps</b><b>to take the execution</b><b>pathway or your AI bots</b><b>or using dreams, for example, and</b><b>you're giving it instructions.</b><b>But then another thing that comes up in</b><b>all of that is like,</b><b>how are you validating it</b><b>as a human?</b><b>How are you validating the information?</b><b>So there are ways to</b><b>reduce hallucinations.</b><b>This I don't know</b><b>because it's just a survey.</b><b>What is the reason people are saying</b><b>that inaccuracies have</b><b>been a thing or that they're</b><b>concerned about it?</b><b>Do they know that</b><b>there's these other ways?</b><b>And I guess for you being out there, us</b><b>being out there, teaching</b><b>people that it is a spectrum,</b><b>hallucinations can be controlled, but I</b><b>don't think you can</b><b>completely get rid of them with</b><b>only the AI tools.</b><b>I believe that you still have to have</b><b>at least for now humans</b><b>involved in the loop, but it's</b><b>really fascinating that this is now a</b><b>year on from this, from</b><b>the last time they did</b><b>it and it's been getting higher.</b><b>And there's a lot of other trends that</b><b>they've got in here.</b><b>It's a really great report.</b><b>I recommend people take a look.</b><b>And I think the inaccuracy piece is</b><b>going to decline over</b><b>time as the technology gets</b><b>better and better.</b><b>I mean, but talking about the rag</b><b>thing, you still have to be</b><b>sure that the documents that</b><b>you're referencing are relevant because</b><b>you can have all</b><b>documents in there pulling data.</b><b>And if you get a mix between something</b><b>that is from 2024 versus</b><b>last year's 2023, you're</b><b>going to have a clashing or conflicting</b><b>bit of information.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And that still can hallucinate.</b><b>And if it can still see answers and</b><b>then it's like, no, this</b><b>is not in the document.</b><b>It's like, no, it is.</b><b>But you know that because you know,</b><b>like you're using this as</b><b>an assistant, not the oracle</b><b>where all the</b><b>information has to come from.</b><b>And I don't look at anything else.</b><b>You actually still</b><b>have to do some work.</b><b>Very important piece.</b><b>But even all of this, right?</b><b>People go, well,</b><b>what's the freaking point?</b><b>If I can't just point it to something,</b><b>I don't want it at all.</b><b>Sure, buddy.</b><b>Like you don't just instantaneously go</b><b>from London to New York.</b><b>Like you still have to get in the plane</b><b>and do all these things to get there.</b><b>It's just faster now</b><b>than it was a few years ago.</b><b>We don't have that.</b><b>But like my point is like, if something</b><b>takes you five minutes</b><b>to do or 10 minutes to do,</b><b>but it used to take an</b><b>hour or two hours, etc.</b><b>That's still efficiency.</b><b>You still want to use it, but there's</b><b>some people that they're</b><b>like, well, if it doesn't</b><b>do everything, I don't want it.</b><b>Good luck.</b><b>I'm going to continue innovating and</b><b>pushing forward with</b><b>this kind of stuff.</b><b>And so are my clients and so are yours.</b><b>So precisely.</b><b>The one that I think will be</b><b>interesting that will last a while is</b><b>the intellectual property</b><b>aspect, which RAG does help to</b><b>mitigate, but then also the</b><b>cybersecurity aspect of it.</b><b>I know in Australia we have some</b><b>terrible cybersecurity</b><b>infrastructure, like businesses</b><b>either not.</b><b>Maybe look at all the stuff that's</b><b>happened over the last</b><b>couple of years with the leaks,</b><b>everything from Telstra, Optus,</b><b>Vodafone, the works, all</b><b>the way down to even health</b><b>data, etc.</b><b>That had been leaked</b><b>recently over in the States.</b><b>That is going to be a big, big space</b><b>that's only going to</b><b>get, I think, more important</b><b>for businesses to focus</b><b>on as AI comes out there.</b><b>Because especially if you're able to do</b><b>code generation, where is</b><b>it getting that information</b><b>from?</b><b>If you're doing beyond RAG, if you're</b><b>going out into the big</b><b>world wide web for sourcing</b><b>your informations and</b><b>insights using your LLMs.</b><b>You mean the</b><b>information superhighway, Chris?</b><b>Yeah, that information superhighway.</b><b>The ability for businesses to be able</b><b>to find ways in to your</b><b>organizations through these</b><b>tools are going to also increase.</b><b>That's pretty scary for you.</b><b>It's going to have to change the way</b><b>that we do things on</b><b>the internet as well.</b><b>Because things that were mutually</b><b>agreed, not that everyone</b><b>followed it, mutually agreed</b><b>ways if you're scraping, for example.</b><b>There's a robots.txt file that is</b><b>supposed to prevent you</b><b>from doing certain types of</b><b>scraping if you don't fit</b><b>into one of these categories.</b><b>I can't remember if they're whitelist</b><b>or blacklist, but whatever it is,</b><b>robots.txt is just a file,</b><b>a little .txt file that sits on every</b><b>website that says what you</b><b>can and can't do with the</b><b>scraping.</b><b>Most things adhere to that, but there</b><b>were, and this is from</b><b>Wired as well, companies</b><b>like Perplexity purportedly ignoring</b><b>that to scrape information.</b><b>That is a limited way of protecting.</b><b>There's server level and other types of</b><b>security that you can have</b><b>where if someone is on the</b><b>list because they're paying their</b><b>royalties, their fees,</b><b>whatever it is, whether that's</b><b>blockchain, because it's micro payments</b><b>every time someone</b><b>scrapes or something, or it's</b><b>more normal, traditional methods of</b><b>payment, by having some sort of</b><b>contract that goes,</b><b>"Well, I can see your IP</b><b>address logs increase."</b><b>You're on the list.</b><b>It's server level.</b><b>It's not just .txt level where you</b><b>could get around it anyway.</b><b>I think we're just going to have to up</b><b>our game in terms of</b><b>security because it's not</b><b>good enough anymore,</b><b>given these things.</b><b>I think we need to</b><b>clarify, robots, tears, tears.</b><b>We're talking that's</b><b>first level of security.</b><b>That's the one-on-ones of things that</b><b>you should be doing in</b><b>addition to your SSLs for</b><b>your online websites, et cetera.</b><b>When it comes to the levels of security</b><b>for the infrastructure,</b><b>for the data that sits</b><b>within your business, though, that's a</b><b>whole different ballgame</b><b>of the stuff that needs</b><b>to be put in place.</b><b>That's probably the</b><b>biggest risk is going to lie.</b><b>It's something that a lot of people are</b><b>looking at and for me,</b><b>it's exciting that if I was</b><b>in that space.</b><b>Psyche is a perfect example of an</b><b>organization that is</b><b>making the right feats.</b><b>A plug from a friend who's making the</b><b>right movements,</b><b>though, to provide that.</b><b>That was AI dancing, by the way.</b><b>That wasn't you.</b><b>No, that wasn't me.</b><b>I mean, you've got Microsoft and Google</b><b>who have always been</b><b>doing things, but even there,</b><b>I don't know how good their security is</b><b>when it comes to their AI integrations</b><b>with organizations.</b><b>I'd hope it's pretty good.</b><b>Everything that is good is getting</b><b>better, should be getting better.</b><b>The law of averages dictates as such.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>Another thing that I thought was</b><b>interesting this week was Ethan Molek.</b><b>If you don't follow him, you should on</b><b>LinkedIn, you should on Twitter.</b><b>He was talking about prompting being a</b><b>thing of the past</b><b>because now you've got things,</b><b>whether it's with Claude or even with</b><b>other tools, Cloud, where</b><b>you'll give clouds a prompt</b><b>and he, I didn't even</b><b>know what accent that is.</b><b>Cloud is basically, and other tools do</b><b>this, like maybe just a</b><b>bit more manual, but it</b><b>can improve the prompt.</b><b>If I ask a question</b><b>like, "What is blockchain?"</b><b>That's a pretty poor prompt because I'm</b><b>not giving it much</b><b>context, et cetera, et cetera.</b><b>But if I said to the AI, I actually</b><b>write this in myself,</b><b>"What is blockchain?"</b><b>Now look at this prompt, improve it,</b><b>make it more robust, give</b><b>you more education, tell</b><b>me what to think of next.</b><b>Then it will give you what is a good</b><b>prompt and then you can</b><b>use that to actually ask</b><b>a question and get a better answer.</b><b>These tools are fascinating because</b><b>unlike coming from the</b><b>world of data where I've come</b><b>from before, I can't</b><b>remember how my bot says it.</b><b>Does it say data or data?</b><b>I think it's data, but ... Data.</b><b>Coming from that world, you couldn't do</b><b>things with clients in</b><b>terms of projects until you</b><b>had clean information.</b><b>You had to clean up the information</b><b>first and so it held</b><b>up a lot of projects.</b><b>But with AI, you can actually use it</b><b>from the very get-go to</b><b>even do those improvements</b><b>or like, "Hey, we've</b><b>got this document missing.</b><b>That's okay.</b><b>AI is going to help you fill that in."</b><b>Knowing how to use it and just being</b><b>able to label where</b><b>things are good, bad, filled</b><b>in by AI, et cetera, I think there's a</b><b>lot less barriers in the way.</b><b>But you only find that out when you get</b><b>immersed in this space, when you</b><b>actually learn about</b><b>it or when you have good people coming</b><b>to your firm to talk</b><b>about this kind of stuff</b><b>or you've got people that watch this</b><b>show that go back to</b><b>their business and show that</b><b>we can do stuff</b><b>sooner rather than later.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>There's a couple of interesting AI</b><b>prompt generator tools out there.</b><b>I'm trying to think of the</b><b>one that ... Is it Tuskade?</b><b>Do you know about that one?</b><b>No.</b><b>It does an AI prompt generator.</b><b>I think there is one called AI</b><b>Generator or AI Prompt.</b><b>Probably.</b><b>Dotcom or something.</b><b>You could go to ... We haven't done</b><b>this, but have you heard of WebSim?</b><b>WebSim?</b><b>No, please tell me.</b><b>WebSim is something where ... We'll</b><b>play around with this on</b><b>the show, but it's almost like</b><b>intergalactic pay TV or cable,</b><b>intergalactic cable, where basically</b><b>you can make up what</b><b>you want it to do.</b><b>That was a Rick and Morty</b><b>reference, by the way, folks.</b><b>You can make up what you</b><b>want the website to be.</b><b>I could say cats.ai.</b><b>It will go, "Well, if cats.ai ... " It</b><b>looks into its LLM and</b><b>it goes, "Well, cats.ai is</b><b>probably a website about AI cats and</b><b>it's doing this and so it</b><b>will make up a website."</b><b>Or you could just</b><b>describe it, but pretty cool.</b><b>There's all the game ... People have</b><b>put little playful games in there as</b><b>well as web platforms.</b><b>I have played with this.</b><b>Very cool.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>I think it actually takes code.</b><b>If you say, "Mario type game with blah,</b><b>blah, blah," it must</b><b>have code in there because</b><b>it's not doing the generation.</b><b>When you look at some of the stuff</b><b>that's out there,</b><b>these are proper assets.</b><b>They're the type of stuff that with</b><b>current AI, you would have</b><b>to go back and forth with</b><b>to make the game.</b><b>People have suspected that they've got</b><b>some of these games in</b><b>there, but they're still</b><b>using AI to go, "Well,</b><b>the users type this."</b><b>I think they mean this</b><b>and delivering up something.</b><b>Whether it's just normal websites, like</b><b>you could make a website,</b><b>like I said, about cats,</b><b>or something else like a</b><b>game, or even anything.</b><b>Consultancy101, if you gave that in.</b><b>I bet it's going to make a consulting</b><b>type website or whatever.</b><b>It's ridiculous.</b><b>Yep.</b><b>Cool.</b><b>That was an awesome chat.</b><b>We've almost been</b><b>going for an hour now.</b><b>Pretty done.</b><b>Pretty done.</b><b>This is another week in tech and AI.</b><b>I think folks should check out the</b><b>different shorts that are</b><b>created off of this that are</b><b>going out on YouTube</b><b>and TikTok as well.</b><b>We'll put those in the show notes.</b><b>Make sure that you check out the</b><b>TikTok, if you are one of</b><b>those young ones that doesn't</b><b>go on Instagram anymore.</b><b>Are we doing it?</b><b>We're not doing Instagram, are we?</b><b>No, haven't done Instagram.</b><b>No, Instagram.</b><b>Just TikTok.</b><b>Maybe we should do Instagram.</b><b>I don't know.</b><b>It's too much work.</b><b>Just get out of it for us.</b><b>Going back to references and stuff.</b><b>Campaign generator.</b><b>When Homer becomes the counselor for</b><b>the garbage and stuff</b><b>like that, he takes over.</b><b>His campaign catch cry was can't</b><b>someone else do it?</b><b>I think it's like, can't some AI do it?</b><b>I think that's where</b><b>we're at right now, folks.</b><b>Next on episode four.</b><b>How are you not a dad?</b><b>Hey, who's to say I'm not?</b><b>Dad jokes are us.</b><b>Let's go.</b><b>I'm taking notes.</b><b>I'm going to take these home to my kid.</b><b>She's going to love me.</b><b>You never know.</b><b>You never know.</b><b>Anyways, folks, stay tuned for the next</b><b>episode where I bring my baby.</b><b>Please like and subscribe.</b><b>If you want any more information or</b><b>past episodes, go to</b><b>digitalnexuspodcast.com.</b><b>Thanks, guys.</b><b>Catch you later.</b><b>Get out of here.</b><b>Get out of here.</b><b>Get out of here.</b><b>Tech trends blazing.</b><b>Digital fire.</b><b>AI.</b><b>AI.</b><b>Rising to the sky. 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