<b>[Music]</b><b>So how many medal</b><b>ceremonies have you watched?</b><b>I have not watched many.</b><b>You haven't watched the Olympics?</b><b>I have watched a</b><b>little bit of the Olympics.</b><b>I have watched a lot of</b><b>funny things in the Olympics.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>Oh, okay.</b><b>Like really funny stuff.</b><b>There was a person who got injured.</b><b>They rolled their ankle dramatically.</b><b>That's super fun.</b><b>Dramatic.</b><b>It was a bad, very, very bad.</b><b>The whole team comes in clamoring over,</b><b>like making sure</b><b>trying to settle the person</b><b>as they are on the floor riling in pain.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>And this guy comes up</b><b>behind with a chair.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Obviously, just pull the microphone off.</b><b>Don't mind me folks.</b><b>They come up with a chair just to</b><b>obviously support the</b><b>person who is riling.</b><b>Oh, I heard about this.</b><b>They're on the floor</b><b>and he puts the chair down</b><b>and one of the other people who are</b><b>helping them was like,</b><b>"Oh, thanks," and then</b><b>sits down on the chair.</b><b>This is live TV.</b><b>And the guy's just</b><b>like, "What are you doing?"</b><b>He's like, "Oh, oh</b><b>yeah," and then stands back up</b><b>and then they help the poor girl get up.</b><b>Look, it's a stressful time.</b><b>Like, everyone thinks they know how</b><b>they're going to react</b><b>in a fast-paced kind of environment.</b><b>Like, no, you're not going to be perfect.</b><b>Like, we shouldn't...</b><b>Yeah, that is pretty funny though.</b><b>He saw the pole</b><b>vaulting, the pole vaulting guy.</b><b>Oh, the guy that... It's</b><b>his first day on the job.</b><b>No, no, he pole vaulted.</b><b>Oh, he was stopped by...</b><b>I think he had a</b><b>microphone in his pocket.</b><b>Yeah, pretty...</b><b>Yes, he had a microphone, a</b><b>very flimsy, squishy microphone.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>That's not where I kept my...</b><b>Oh, that's where I kept my other socks.</b><b>That's what I couldn't find.</b><b>I couldn't find it.</b><b>I knew I was doing</b><b>something with the last note.</b><b>Yeah, absolutely.</b><b>There's been also beautiful</b><b>on the other side, you know,</b><b>seeing people that</b><b>they've only entered the sport</b><b>like a few years ago, the woman that won</b><b>the road cycling kind of thing.</b><b>And it's kind of weird, like, it was put</b><b>out on, like, I think Olympics,</b><b>like Instagram or something else that</b><b>she's only been in it,</b><b>like, for a few years</b><b>and she's won this</b><b>road cycling tournament.</b><b>And then someone's,</b><b>like, commenting that...</b><b>It wasn't the Olympics one, it</b><b>was, like, some other YouTuber</b><b>and people were</b><b>commenting, like, horrible stuff.</b><b>It's like, well, she's not technically</b><b>the best in the world.</b><b>It's like, celebrate the Olympics.</b><b>Just the boxer.</b><b>No, not the boxer, but</b><b>she was a road cyclist.</b><b>A rogue cyclist.</b><b>Yeah, like, not rogue, road, like,</b><b>cycling on the road.</b><b>Not Tour de France, but that's what</b><b>people were pointing at.</b><b>They're like, oh, this</b><b>is not Tour de France,</b><b>so she's not the best</b><b>cyclist in the world.</b><b>It's like, who cares, man? She</b><b>won gold. What have you done?</b><b>Ah, it's just...</b><b>People love to pick at people for things.</b><b>There's lots of other stuff happening</b><b>which I won't touch on.</b><b>I would love to see social media stuff</b><b>where your negative comments like that</b><b>get rated by an AI and it</b><b>gets recorded, you know?</b><b>I would rather that get actually...</b><b>Well, get recorded by AI and then pushed</b><b>out to the public for people</b><b>to actually vote and decide if the rants</b><b>and riles are appropriate.</b><b>There's so many things happening.</b><b>I don't want to see behavior, but at the</b><b>same time, we should be...</b><b>It should kind of be, you know,</b><b>AI and these tools will make it easier to</b><b>see your bad behavior,</b><b>just like a job interview.</b><b>Like the boxing.</b><b>Would you want to be mates with someone</b><b>that's like, horrible online?</b><b>Yeah, you heard about the boxing.</b><b>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</b><b>She's got some...</b><b>She's got XY chromosomes and...</b><b>But she was born...</b><b>Born female.</b><b>Female.</b><b>It's illegal to be...</b><b>Live the life as a female.</b><b>But she hasn't done</b><b>anything. She hasn't altered herself.</b><b>Like it was all natural.</b><b>And then people complain.</b><b>Like she's versed</b><b>other women who have got...</b><b>Then there's like misinformation.</b><b>And she's lost.</b><b>And she's lost.</b><b>It's like she doesn't</b><b>have any enhancements.</b><b>It's not giving her any benefits.</b><b>But people are turning into something</b><b>because that fighter quit versus her in</b><b>the first 40 seconds or whatever.</b><b>But that same fighter</b><b>has also quit other fights.</b><b>So it's not a first time.</b><b>Have they?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>This is the...</b><b>But it doesn't get put out there.</b><b>It doesn't get shown.</b><b>And I think, you know, it's where</b><b>technology is going to be interesting in</b><b>terms of helping with that.</b><b>But I digress the beautiful parts about</b><b>the Olympics as well,</b><b>apart from showing it.</b><b>It's such a wonderful time</b><b>to bring everyone together.</b><b>And it's like such a</b><b>microcosm of the world.</b><b>If aliens were watching the Olympics and</b><b>you see all the things</b><b>that interact around that,</b><b>people that won things for the first</b><b>time, people have worked so hard.</b><b>And when they realized that they've</b><b>medaled, even just to get a bronze medal</b><b>is such an amazing thing.</b><b>You see these people breaking down</b><b>because they realized that after the</b><b>other results, they're going to be there.</b><b>So I find it fascinating.</b><b>I was speaking to a friend</b><b>yesterday just about the archery.</b><b>Oh, yeah.</b><b>South Korea.</b><b>Amazing archery.</b><b>Like they're just...</b><b>All of them are incredible.</b><b>But it was down to the finals with the</b><b>South Korean and the American.</b><b>And they tied all the way to the end.</b><b>So it had to be a shoot</b><b>off for the very last one.</b><b>Whoever could get closest to the actual</b><b>center of the target.</b><b>And they're shooting 70</b><b>meters, I think I looked it up.</b><b>70 meter range.</b><b>It's about the height of the camera.</b><b>South Korean won.</b><b>Oh.</b><b>Two centimeters.</b><b>Wow.</b><b>You had two centimeters over 17 meters.</b><b>And the wind and all these other factors.</b><b>Crazy.</b><b>Like good on both of them.</b><b>I was like, I just, I cannot comprehend</b><b>pulling a bow and hitting</b><b>a target at 70 meter range.</b><b>It's like, that's it.</b><b>It's insane.</b><b>That was pretty exciting.</b><b>Five minutes even.</b><b>That is pretty crazy.</b><b>I thought we'd also start off with like,</b><b>let's have a look at...</b><b>We've done this again.</b><b>We do this every single time.</b><b>Oh, we do.</b><b>How are you doing, Mark?</b><b>Oh, I'm still here, which is great.</b><b>Doing a lot of interesting things.</b><b>A lot of like meetings on the AI side.</b><b>Yes.</b><b>Putting some more things into like, I've</b><b>started doing more loom videos.</b><b>Loom is great because, you</b><b>know, we do product videos.</b><b>And I think there's a difference between</b><b>the product videos versus just how to do</b><b>stuff on screen with a person there at</b><b>the bottom of the screen,</b><b>telling you where to click.</b><b>And loom is great at just enabling you to</b><b>record that off your browser.</b><b>So we've been doing a whole heap of that.</b><b>As well as just helping people just</b><b>understand the onboarding process and</b><b>like what they get in terms of aftercare.</b><b>And then also just visiting a few clients</b><b>that have been realizing, you know, on</b><b>the one hand, some clients have tried to</b><b>build stuff themselves or they've had</b><b>third parties come in and have just been</b><b>frustrated because when it's like built</b><b>raw from scratch,</b><b>they end up having to...</b><b>It's almost the same as building it</b><b>themselves, but they end up having to</b><b>steer the direction in terms of features.</b><b>And sometimes they're like, well, it</b><b>feels like we know more</b><b>than some of the consultants.</b><b>And so I'm not naming names or anything</b><b>here, but I'm starting to see</b><b>frustrations from businesses that maybe</b><b>didn't want to try</b><b>buying things off the shelf.</b><b>They wanted to see if they could just</b><b>build it themselves.</b><b>But are realizing, like with many other</b><b>technologies, that building yourself</b><b>comes with its perils as well.</b><b>Unless you've got an innovation team</b><b>that's going to continuously update it,</b><b>you'll always be behind and you'll get</b><b>stuck if something goes wrong and it's</b><b>not part of your BAU, you know, your</b><b>business as usual kind of thing.</b><b>So more realizing that, hang on a second,</b><b>there's actually more that's been</b><b>happening off the</b><b>shelf with various tools.</b><b>We should take a look at that.</b><b>So I think it's an exciting time for us</b><b>and other startups in the space.</b><b>It is a big thing I've been seeing a lot,</b><b>even with really big consultancy firms,</b><b>huge organizations, like mainly large</b><b>organizations that can afford to do this.</b><b>But because of the risk around data</b><b>content, sharing insights, knowing where</b><b>current open market LLMs are pulling</b><b>their information from</b><b>and how they're learning.</b><b>Businesses not wanting to take the risk</b><b>of integrating them or utilizing them.</b><b>I mean, there are the likes of CoPilot.</b><b>You do have Gemini now, but even there,</b><b>there's still a lot of unknowns around</b><b>how that content works</b><b>and how those tools work.</b><b>So they are building their own LLMs on</b><b>top of their own systems.</b><b>And a lot of that has to do with how</b><b>they're currently</b><b>hosting their information.</b><b>Like they've got a lot of security layers</b><b>and a lot of things.</b><b>So even if something like, for example,</b><b>Psyche would come in and support a large</b><b>firm, it would be very difficult for you</b><b>to be able to situate yourself within</b><b>that business because of how their</b><b>infrastructure is set up.</b><b>So they're just building it themselves.</b><b>And but to your point, they're</b><b>experiencing a lot of problems,</b><b>accuracies, not knowing</b><b>how to manage hallucinations.</b><b>So people aren't really trusting the</b><b>stuff that's being built internally and</b><b>they're wasting millions of dollars.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Or even if it's hundreds of thousands or</b><b>tens of thousands, depending on how big</b><b>you are, that's a lot of money.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>You know, the other interesting thing is</b><b>that people are that they're seeing some</b><b>things that I can help with more than</b><b>just your traditional what we have seen,</b><b>which is, OK, marketing content and</b><b>answering chatbot type stuff.</b><b>I think the chatbots are</b><b>great for a lot of those tools.</b><b>But if you're building something and</b><b>you're doing something to help business</b><b>with their workflows,</b><b>that's just so much better.</b><b>And so there's so many ones out there,</b><b>whether they're meeting tools and</b><b>recording tools or therefore images and</b><b>videos and content like that.</b><b>I think that's really interesting.</b><b>But at the same time, there's there's</b><b>just a lot of, I think, conversations</b><b>that need to be to be had in this space</b><b>that are starting to come up.</b><b>And, you know, if you've been frustrated</b><b>from working in the space or building in</b><b>the space and you're not getting</b><b>traction, it's kind</b><b>of like a market cycle.</b><b>You just needed that maturity to kind of</b><b>hit and people to realize because if</b><b>they're not ready to because I haven't</b><b>had the education about a particular</b><b>topic and we'll dive into it around some</b><b>stuff that's happening with open A.I.</b><b>And it leads into stuff that we want to</b><b>see out of A.I., which is more</b><b>deterministic workflows and we want to</b><b>see workflows being a thing.</b><b>It's A.I. is not just</b><b>a chatbot, you know.</b><b>So I think there's going to be some</b><b>interesting things there.</b><b>What about. Yeah, it's interesting.</b><b>Because even this week I've been, you</b><b>know, we've got that webinar.</b><b>I've talked about this previously.</b><b>I mean, I've been</b><b>working heavily on that.</b><b>It's kicking off next week, which I'm</b><b>pretty excited about.</b><b>And I've been doing some campaign work</b><b>around it and just pushing out messages</b><b>and information out to the market to try</b><b>and get people excited and on board it.</b><b>And we've got some really good traction.</b><b>But I've been using some</b><b>A.I. tools to to help with that.</b><b>And when you start to integrate it into</b><b>processes or into, you know, doing things</b><b>in the market that I would traditionally</b><b>do manually, you do start to see where</b><b>things fall a bit short or where there's</b><b>more effort needed than what it would</b><b>take if I just did this myself or just</b><b>the fact that everything is in such a</b><b>heavy beta format that it makes mistakes</b><b>or something doesn't work properly.</b><b>And you're constantly going back to the</b><b>drawing board with the development teams</b><b>to go, hey, what's going on here?</b><b>We need to get this fixed</b><b>like as soon as possible.</b><b>And that's, you know, that's that's the</b><b>way the cookie crumbles.</b><b>So it's it's not a bad thing, but it's</b><b>still it's making me realize more and</b><b>more how early stage we are with a lot of</b><b>these products and these tools.</b><b>Yes. It's still one way to go. It is.</b><b>It is. And it's probably here.</b><b>There's a whole lot of education that's</b><b>going to be needed and stuff.</b><b>Yeah. It's also like breaking down those</b><b>barriers and making sure that how you</b><b>explain things early</b><b>on, we get it's funny.</b><b>It's funny. We get really</b><b>early with it's an early industry.</b><b>But in some ways and in some way there's</b><b>been around for a while, but there's</b><b>jargon already, you know, LLM, GPTs and</b><b>all this kind of stuff</b><b>like, which is great.</b><b>We need that kind of</b><b>language and it's a shortcut.</b><b>It's actually easier to access. But at</b><b>the same time, that's not going to make</b><b>sense for the layperson.</b><b>Someone is just working in the office.</b><b>They'll just see it as a.i. So while it's</b><b>bad that, you know, it gets</b><b>miscategorized into this overall thing,</b><b>because that's</b><b>definitely only one part of a.i.</b><b>That people say our a.i. as just chat</b><b>GPT. It's also helpful.</b><b>It's part of the</b><b>language kind of changing.</b><b>And I think what we need is more</b><b>analogies around that sort of thing.</b><b>So that's another thing we've been</b><b>thinking about at psych.</b><b>What about yourself? What</b><b>have you been to other than that?</b><b>Yeah. So planning this webinar, having a</b><b>lot of great conversations in the market,</b><b>getting a lot of great</b><b>feedback from for our podcast.</b><b>This is all just being really exciting.</b><b>A couple of people have been working with</b><b>and some other organizations gave me a</b><b>call just out of the blue, which is like</b><b>we're loving what you guys are doing.</b><b>Please stop.</b><b>Yeah, stop. Stop. Stop</b><b>my ego. I can't handle it.</b><b>Oh, that's really good. That's really</b><b>nice. Thanks, everyone.</b><b>Thanks, guys.</b><b>Give us a like and a share and keep</b><b>telling you about our show and we'll</b><b>hopefully get more</b><b>and more people into it.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>But yeah, it's just a kick off a new</b><b>project in the next couple of weeks.</b><b>So finally, it's been a long, long time</b><b>waiting for this one. So that's that's</b><b>good. I can't say it.</b><b>But it's definitely focusing on the on</b><b>the side of things, which I'm really</b><b>excited about, which is my</b><b>obviously my bread and butter.</b><b>OK. Getting how do we optimize? How do we</b><b>improve the dreams of work?</b><b>How do we improve how you go to market?</b><b>What's the strategy</b><b>around those pieces of work?</b><b>Very good.</b><b>But yeah, so we're very</b><b>excited to kick that stuff off.</b><b>So yeah. And if you're in UX, I mean, and</b><b>whilst we don't, there are some tools out</b><b>there still limited somewhat.</b><b>If you're putting in images and stuff,</b><b>but even just like wording, if it's</b><b>around UX and that whole kind of customer</b><b>journey experience, so much better to put</b><b>in a good bit of context in a safe tool</b><b>that you can use, whatever that might be.</b><b>And then to brainstorm with people and</b><b>also have these suggestions come out from</b><b>the eye when it's got that proper</b><b>context, like you'll</b><b>get such better results.</b><b>So exciting to see what you got there.</b><b>The great thing about is that there are</b><b>about like there's a bunch of tools that</b><b>I've had to get a whole bunch of security</b><b>approval and tools I'm allowed to use.</b><b>And I put forward like several tools that</b><b>I know I'm going to be</b><b>using as part of this.</b><b>Juno, Dovetail, and Psycra is one of the</b><b>ones along with my traditional use of</b><b>Open App, which I think I'll have to do</b><b>in my own silo box because there's not a</b><b>lot of security in that.</b><b>But they're the sort of the big three I'm</b><b>going to be heading into along with all</b><b>the other tools I would use for these</b><b>processes, Mirro Figma, which have their</b><b>own AI capabilities, etc.</b><b>Next episode, Chris</b><b>shows us what his clients do.</b><b>No, I'm just joking.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So but I'm really excited because it's</b><b>like one of the first times I'm going to</b><b>be doing almost an end to end solution,</b><b>considering how AI can integrate and</b><b>support the entire process</b><b>rather than me just drip feeding.</b><b>I'm doing this. I'm</b><b>going to have AI do this.</b><b>It's like it's part of</b><b>the process in this example.</b><b>So exactly.</b><b>I'm to be doing that.</b><b>I thought I'd ask you what I loaded up,</b><b>you know, the</b><b>transcript from the last meeting.</b><b>We'll do this more and more.</b><b>But this is a section we call what Psyc</b><b>says about the last meeting.</b><b>Oh, look how fast that went.</b><b>I was too fast.</b><b>Okay. I want general themes.</b><b>Let's try that again.</b><b>Give me the themes of the episode, you</b><b>know, because I want to</b><b>see what did we talk about?</b><b>Yeah, sometimes like stuff happens just</b><b>so fast and you don't get much time.</b><b>So we talked about AI technology and</b><b>integration market trends.</b><b>We did talk about that.</b><b>We did.</b><b>The future of AI speculations around what</b><b>the future roles of AI is in various</b><b>industries and the potential of impact on</b><b>job roles and the importance</b><b>of adapting new technologies.</b><b>We spoke about the concept of the human</b><b>in the loop and then alien everyday life</b><b>like the KFC trials at the drive-ins.</b><b>I still didn't get a</b><b>chance to try that out.</b><b>Maybe they've shut down</b><b>because I think that I do.</b><b>I may have shut down because</b><b>it wasn't working very well.</b><b>But I really want</b><b>that some time and stuff.</b><b>But we announced as well last week and we</b><b>put out the official announcement.</b><b>We saw that from the Oz DeFi Association,</b><b>which we also run separately.</b><b>But that not for profit has</b><b>now been put in the position.</b><b>Thanks to City of Sydney.</b><b>So thank you very much to have CyK1 as an</b><b>official sponsor as well.</b><b>So City of Sydney continues.</b><b>Yeah, we'll insert clap track here.</b><b>The yes, it means that</b><b>we'll be doing a whole lot more.</b><b>And I'm even conceptually building.</b><b>Imagine this for the association, a hub</b><b>where you can go to and you can see all</b><b>the past meetups where we've recorded it</b><b>and you can see some video, not</b><b>transcripts, but highlights of key themes</b><b>and takeaways and stuff like that.</b><b>And then we'll do like bigger summaries.</b><b>We'll bring in other like blockchain</b><b>related research, like really just</b><b>helping anyone that's starting in the</b><b>community to see what</b><b>the hell has been going on.</b><b>What are the trends?</b><b>Yeah, nice. And do we</b><b>have a domain for that?</b><b>So domain for what?</b><b>Insert. You said there will be a page.</b><b>Oh, yeah. No, no, sorry.</b><b>So no domain for that yet.</b><b>That's just sitting in my mind.</b><b>But in the future, even before you think</b><b>it would just be out there</b><b>like the A.R. just create it.</b><b>So insert domain in subtext</b><b>episode nine in three, two, one.</b><b>Anyway, let's get to the news.</b><b>Yeah. What do you want to talk about?</b><b>Just an immense amount of stuff.</b><b>Not that much. Not that much. I don't even know if we</b><b>can get through this all the time.</b><b>This is probably done in a crazy week.</b><b>I want to I want to start with I mean,</b><b>open air, obviously one of the biggest</b><b>impact for A.I. in our modern times.</b><b>Like it's it's kicked off just an array</b><b>of activities, businesses.</b><b>And one of the co-founders, Mr. John</b><b>Shulman has announced on X days ago that</b><b>he's going to be leaving,</b><b>which is huge because he's been a big</b><b>driver for on the research side of</b><b>things, how the learning model was put</b><b>together alignment and safety.</b><b>Exactly right. And he's he's saying he's</b><b>going to leave and</b><b>moving to a competitor.</b><b>Yeah. I find very interesting.</b><b>Moving to Claude.</b><b>Good old anthropic.</b><b>You know, it's interesting because there</b><b>was this whole turtle and the turtle and</b><b>the rabbit turtle and the hair.</b><b>Yeah. You know, rabbit and the turtle</b><b>kind of race thing where open air was</b><b>seen as the turtle in a way.</b><b>We spoke about this a few weeks ago.</b><b>Fast putting things out, just being</b><b>really speedy to market with things and</b><b>then anthropic being a bit of a hair</b><b>because more focus on</b><b>alignment, more focus on safety.</b><b>But when they did say that they would put</b><b>things out, they put things out.</b><b>And maybe they have had delays, but just</b><b>more recently. And, you know, we only</b><b>remember the last few months or so.</b><b>But at least in the past, right. Yeah.</b><b>Yeah. Recent announcements.</b><b>They when they said that how we're</b><b>putting out Claude Sonnett is going to do</b><b>this. It's going to have this artifacts</b><b>thing where you actually see the output</b><b>of not just code, you actually see</b><b>output, you see dashboards.</b><b>You can see the snake game that's being</b><b>created, which is awesome, right?</b><b>So, yeah, great to see John</b><b>joining that. It's interesting.</b><b>I've made the difficult decision to leave</b><b>open. I this choice stems from my desire</b><b>to deepen my focus on a alignment and</b><b>start a new chapter of my career where I</b><b>can return to hands on technical work.</b><b>I think that's just from open air scaling</b><b>so much. He's obviously stepped into this</b><b>more direct managerial level.</b><b>And now he wants to get his hands dirty</b><b>again, which makes makes sense.</b><b>Yeah, I guess a lot of people love to do</b><b>that. They want to get their hands dirty</b><b>and be right there in</b><b>the in the thick of things.</b><b>You know, it's exciting. That's that's</b><b>why you you're surviving in startup kind</b><b>of netherworld or like the startup kind</b><b>of swamp because you love it.</b><b>Right. And so no doubt when things grow</b><b>and businesses grow and you move up into</b><b>upper management, etc., that's yeah, you</b><b>get that itch. You miss.</b><b>That's it. So, yeah, really interesting</b><b>stuff from from John. Then there was a</b><b>tweet as well as you highlighted.</b><b>Let's see if that tweet loads. Yeah. He</b><b>said he shared like a longer thing on his</b><b>his site. So, yeah,</b><b>worth checking out, folks.</b><b>We'll leave those notes in the in the</b><b>links. What else do you got?</b><b>The recently I might I might quick into</b><b>going to some of the big players in the</b><b>market. We've got Google and AWS who are</b><b>good on Amazon who have done some really</b><b>interesting things over or announced some interesting things.</b><b>Big players. Big players like I'm joking.</b><b>Yeah, they're huge. Obviously, Google has</b><b>I think I feel like Google has been a bit</b><b>behind the ball with</b><b>with the other AI spills.</b><b>Is that an Olympics analogy? Yeah, we're</b><b>pretty much pretty much behind the gold</b><b>medal. They're being</b><b>bronze in everything.</b><b>Bronze effort guys. There was he had</b><b>Gemini has been the latest version of the</b><b>after the catastrophic</b><b>initial release of bad.</b><b>That also made that big mistake. Bad was</b><b>a called bad. Bad. Bad. Whatever. It was</b><b>a bad. That's what it and Gemini has just</b><b>had a new update that's come out.</b><b>They were up to three point five. Okay.</b><b>Point five. And now they've got three</b><b>point five in a beta access for ten eight</b><b>one zero eight zero.</b><b>I think they're announcing it to be</b><b>called and it has been smashing some of</b><b>the engagements compared to open AI and</b><b>Claude and the brands. Yeah. So it is</b><b>zero eight zero one.</b><b>Sorry, I did that backwards. So there let</b><b>me just pull this up. Gemini</b><b>Pro zero zero one. Just one.</b><b>Blue Pass GPC Gemini one point five. I</b><b>said three point five. I'm getting this</b><b>all wrong because it's Claude three point</b><b>five. So there's a platform called good</b><b>old chat limbs. Have you heard of them?</b><b>LMS. Oh, yeah. They do a lot of like</b><b>reviews from both the people who post the</b><b>platform, but then also the general</b><b>public rating responses</b><b>compared with other platforms.</b><b>And obviously open eyes had the number</b><b>one position for quite a while. Yeah. But</b><b>since Gemini Pro zero zero one has been</b><b>announced, it has taken</b><b>the top spot. Interesting.</b><b>In terms of accuracy responses, in terms</b><b>of amount of information that is shared</b><b>speed, which is really, really</b><b>interesting because obviously Google's</b><b>been lagging behind. And this is the</b><b>first time they're sort of put themselves</b><b>up there against the other competitors.</b><b>It's still in beta. So not everyone has</b><b>access to it. I personally haven't had a</b><b>chance to jump in, but I thought it was a</b><b>very interesting announcement because in</b><b>line with a lot of that in the next</b><b>couple of days, one next about a week</b><b>ago, they've announced all their new</b><b>devices that will be coming out with the</b><b>new foldable phones.</b><b>Oh, yeah. So I reckon it's going to be a</b><b>bit of a hopefully a bit of a tangential</b><b>and release along with their new</b><b>products. Please put it on my Google</b><b>Pixel 8. Yeah. You know, I</b><b>don't have the new version.</b><b>Please put it out on older ones. It's got</b><b>the anyway. But speaking of LMS, like</b><b>there's other providers as well. And I'll</b><b>just show you something on screen. This</b><b>is an Aussie made one. These guys have</b><b>done so well. Mica and</b><b>team shared that to you guys.</b><b>This is something where they they also do</b><b>these ratings and stuff. And this has</b><b>been quoted by Lex Friedman, Andrew Ng,</b><b>big names in the AI space. But this is an</b><b>Aussie startup that's doing these ratings</b><b>as well. And you can see, yeah, you're</b><b>right. Like in terms of speed Gemini 1.5,</b><b>at least the flash model is the speediest</b><b>that is out there. Yeah, that's it.</b><b>It doesn't appear on the quality side of</b><b>things, but I see them being shown here.</b><b>So here's Gemini 1.5 Pro in a rating of</b><b>quality versus price. GPT four is still</b><b>seen as the winner in terms of like, I</b><b>think particularly for price. Like I</b><b>think it's still up there. I mean, for</b><b>Gemini, it's Gemini,</b><b>you're paying like the teacher.</b><b>But yeah, lots of data. Oh, yeah,</b><b>exactly. I've never heard of command R</b><b>yet. Until now. But yeah, it's this is</b><b>super interesting stuff. Just seeing all</b><b>these like ratings, quality versus output</b><b>speed, etc. Gemini 1.5 flash is like</b><b>right up there. That is super speedy.</b><b>Exactly. It's in its own quadrant. And</b><b>even further to expand on that. It's now</b><b>ranked as the best performing model for</b><b>reduction of hallucinations without</b><b>having to do any customization to the</b><b>content as well. Interesting. It is a</b><b>piece of content I've got from the</b><b>artificial intelligence news.com by Mr.</b><b>Ryan doors. He highlighted that. Yeah,</b><b>it's now caught up there above Claude</b><b>3.5. According to the index, kind of</b><b>pretty pretty on par with it with Claude</b><b>1.3.5. But it's, it's now taken that top</b><b>spot. So that's an interesting. Yeah,</b><b>it's a big turn of events for them. On</b><b>the flip side, though,</b><b>Google is also suffered a pretty</b><b>hit in the US. I don't know if you heard</b><b>about this. No, no, go on with their</b><b>search. So there was a big case that's</b><b>been going on for quite a while. Due to</b><b>their monopoly on search. Yeah, I mean,</b><b>it's been ruled that they are a monopoly.</b><b>There has been ruled they are monopoly</b><b>and that the way that they are making</b><b>themselves a monopoly has been deemed</b><b>illegal play. So due to, you know,</b><b>they're paying like $6 billion or</b><b>something a year to businesses like</b><b>Apple, making sure that they're always</b><b>the search engine of choice</b><b>when you open up Firefox, etc.</b><b>Right. All of these activities have been</b><b>deemed. They're not I don't know what the</b><b>decision is or what the impact is or what</b><b>what the results are being off the back</b><b>of it. Yeah, they have been found at this</b><b>stage. Yeah, sure. They're going to do a</b><b>lot of challenging towards this, this</b><b>ruling. But at this stage, it's been</b><b>deemed illegal their current activity. So</b><b>I don't know what impact that's going to</b><b>have on them in the long term, but</b><b>definitely saw a bit of a drop in their</b><b>shares after that, after that ruling.</b><b>Yeah. But hopefully,</b><b>they're really so they're</b><b>going to be able to do that. And I will</b><b>counteract that downfall. That's a good</b><b>distraction. Good distraction on this</b><b>keeping on the news of big players. We've</b><b>got AWS. They've just released some image</b><b>generator tools, which is interesting or</b><b>an upgrade. I think they've got a few AI</b><b>tools in the market right now. Okay. So</b><b>they've called Titan image generator V2</b><b>has just been launched in the</b><b>market. So they're trying to</b><b>really, really nicely and alter that</b><b>image in ways that are deemed using text</b><b>to text over the image. So that's</b><b>interesting that they're entering the</b><b>space. But more, more interestingly, and</b><b>this is a topic we talked on touched on</b><b>back in Episode One or Two, was our big</b><b>players starting to move into that chip</b><b>market. So we've got Snapdragon, which is</b><b>absolutely crushing it in the AI space</b><b>right now. You should I think if you look</b><b>up Snapdragon and YouTube, you can find a</b><b>myriad of technologies and businesses</b><b>that have been there. We do.</b><b>They've got their own website now that</b><b>you can download API for for big</b><b>developer plays. Absolutely killing it in</b><b>this space. Obviously, really trying to</b><b>stick it to the likes of Nvidia and other</b><b>other players. Google with their phones,</b><b>Samsung with their phones, they've</b><b>obviously got their own partnerships with</b><b>AI integrated into the systems.</b><b>Obviously, Apple with their M3s and M2s.</b><b>But now Amazon is building or has built</b><b>their own chipsets to compete within that</b><b>market. So they have</b><b>their own cheaper, faster,</b><b>AI chips coming out. They're not</b><b>available yet, but it is has been</b><b>announced, which is very interesting,</b><b>because I think this is touching on what</b><b>I was talking about before, where these</b><b>big businesses, the only way that they</b><b>can keep ahead is by having control of</b><b>the technology and the software in</b><b>itself, right? So you have a smoother</b><b>experience, you have, you're able to</b><b>develop stuff that is much more capable,</b><b>you know, having to tailor for other</b><b>businesses, other APIs, other</b><b>technologies, you have all this one</b><b>system that you control. So there,</b><b>I think they've, I don't know how much</b><b>they've invested into this. But it is an</b><b>interesting announcement, given all the</b><b>other things that are</b><b>happening in the market.</b><b>Yeah, it's interesting, because that</b><b>would be big news any other week. There's</b><b>a lot of other stuff going on at the</b><b>moment, which is which is kind of nuts.</b><b>So you were talking about long outputs as</b><b>a thing from open our</b><b>what what's all that?</b><b>Yeah, so GPT for has just recently</b><b>announced their long output format, which</b><b>is capable of dealing up to 64,000 output</b><b>tokens per request, which is which is</b><b>like, you know, there are others that are</b><b>doing 128,000 others, doing up to a</b><b>million, I think, in some instances,</b><b>there's others that are just building the</b><b>world building the output. But this is</b><b>interesting, because it's like, it's a</b><b>more accessible framework for developers</b><b>to be able to do a lot of interesting</b><b>work. It's called the GPT for</b><b>a 64 output alpha. That's the model name.</b><b>What a great and it is. They haven't got</b><b>they've got some costs here for it. It's</b><b>like $6 per 1 million tokens. Okay, with</b><b>an output usage of $18 per one million</b><b>tokens, obviously, in USD. So a lot more</b><b>affordable, I think it is focused on and</b><b>using the accuracy of of</b><b>four, which is which is great.</b><b>Interesting yet the six cents, six cents</b><b>per 1000 tokens. So yeah, it's funny,</b><b>there was a crossover when they everyone</b><b>was doing like the per 1000 and then they</b><b>changed to per million because a while</b><b>million tokens, but it's like 18 bucks.</b><b>Well, is that expensive or not? It's the</b><b>same thing as six cents, folks, it's just</b><b>divide by 1000. Yeah, you know,</b><b>I think they did that though, because and</b><b>a lot of them have gone, pretty much all</b><b>of them have gone that way. Because you</b><b>know, who only uses 1000 tokens in the</b><b>It's nothing it's child's play. But</b><b>Lana's Lana's gonna do like her 900</b><b>tokens. Yeah, daddy food now.</b><b>And you were you were going to expand on</b><b>something for yeah, so apart from the</b><b>long output thing, what open AI has come</b><b>out with just a day ago is something</b><b>called structured output and structured</b><b>output. Initially, it sounded like to us</b><b>that they were already doing formatting</b><b>where the Apple comes out in JSON JSON,</b><b>not Jason from Digital Village co founder</b><b>there, but JSON or JSON.</b><b>So that's the Jason. So JSON is a format</b><b>that's been around for a while coming out</b><b>of open AI is API is and obviously</b><b>through Microsoft as well. What they're</b><b>doing now is focusing on that more to</b><b>ensure that it conforms to various JSON</b><b>schemas. This is great for developers,</b><b>because one of the biggest</b><b>problems, Chris, is that when</b><b>Tom, Christopher, no, Peter, Peter,</b><b>Christopher, no, I'm not gonna give you</b><b>your full details. Maybe I should license</b><b>number address. Data birth card. It's my</b><b>birthday month anyway, but we'll talk</b><b>about that later. But the problem with</b><b>chat tools is that it's through language.</b><b>It's a great thing that you can code</b><b>through language, but at the same time</b><b>trying to make the code do certain things</b><b>that you want, or what we call being</b><b>deterministic, having set structures in</b><b>outputs as a coder and developer for</b><b>mission critical systems, you cannot</b><b>really just do that, you can't rely on a</b><b>chatbot that's going to get things wrong,</b><b>what one in every seven, if you haven't</b><b>got the right kind of quality. And it's</b><b>really interesting that open AI is doing</b><b>this more emphasis on now, because it's</b><b>helping you with the outputs and</b><b>structures. We've been doing something</b><b>adjacent to and complementary to</b><b>actually, so this is very helpful for us.</b><b>We created, you know, the underlying</b><b>engine of psych is not just us</b><b>talking to the AI models, we had to build</b><b>a layer on top, which helps us be</b><b>deterministic in the answers. And what I</b><b>mean is we built prom flows, which is</b><b>this way of managing different complex</b><b>workflows in all parts of psych. And</b><b>because it's not just in psych, we</b><b>powered other AI apps as well. So for</b><b>developers out there, we're actually an</b><b>engine that you can use, that is an</b><b>orchestration layer between the things if</b><b>you think about like, we call it an</b><b>orchestration layer, because that's the</b><b>technical software term for</b><b>it. But it is literally like</b><b>an orchestra. Prom flows is like a</b><b>conductor, you want to create a symphony,</b><b>you've got the musicians, you've got the</b><b>audience, you've got all these inputs,</b><b>you need to control it like a conductor</b><b>would to be able to get the right kind of</b><b>symphony. And as I said at the start,</b><b>when it comes to just chatbot AIs or</b><b>having to figure things out to get an</b><b>output based on do I put the word that do</b><b>I put in the posturfie? Do I make it a</b><b>capital? Do I use this? Whatever. It's</b><b>harder to just do it with chat, trying to</b><b>bridge that world where a</b><b>lot of us data scientists have</b><b>come from where it's very structured to</b><b>this really super unstructured quite</b><b>powerful world. This is the middle</b><b>ground. So if businesses or people, you</b><b>know, you want, you've got something, and</b><b>we're calling it mission critical. I've</b><b>heard that on other podcasts, which is</b><b>great, it describes it perfectly. But if</b><b>you want mission critical kind of</b><b>workflows, you need to do more with the</b><b>tools. And so it's great that the world</b><b>is starting to open up to this sort of</b><b>thing. And I think it's going to bring on</b><b>more business adoption,</b><b>because a lot of businesses</b><b>have gotten frustrated from, oh, it's</b><b>inaccurate, or it's getting errors, or</b><b>it's not quite the right output. This is</b><b>all around that theme. And it's a</b><b>beautiful thing. So I think this is like</b><b>a dawning of a new age. When it comes to</b><b>generative AI, it's not just a fun thing.</b><b>Now it's mission critical.</b><b>I think it's like, it's something that's</b><b>been a long time coming. And I think it's</b><b>always going to happen, right? So you end</b><b>up with these tools that come out there a</b><b>little bit alpha a little bit beta. Yeah.</b><b>And it gets to a point where all right,</b><b>they're pretty good. Now, now we need to</b><b>understand how they're going to benefit</b><b>people's day to day use how they're going</b><b>to benefit. Yeah, have better accuracy,</b><b>have better functionality, have better</b><b>integration with organizations and</b><b>businesses. So it's good to see that</b><b>that's finally happening. Because time</b><b>and time right now, there's so many</b><b>conversations around all this one's</b><b>faster, and that one's faster. And this</b><b>one's do this. It's like, yeah, but how</b><b>does it integrate with people's lives?</b><b>Like you're all you're doing is competing</b><b>with this speed and this information that</b><b>isn't relevant to how people use it in</b><b>business. So it's good that some people</b><b>are thinking about these processes,</b><b>flows, all those types of things that</b><b>make it more useful in our day to day</b><b>life. And what you're saying there about</b><b>competing as well, one of the</b><b>frustrations people have is that, okay,</b><b>this is an interesting tool, but I have</b><b>to keep on tweaking it and changing</b><b>because it doesn't give me quite the</b><b>right output, I end up spending. Now, I</b><b>would argue that it's probably faster to</b><b>do it with even just normal chatbots, but</b><b>people feel like they're spending just as</b><b>much time, even though it's an efficiency</b><b>tool. But you would spend less time if</b><b>you know that you're going to get this</b><b>type of output if I put in if I click on</b><b>these instructions, or if I write down</b><b>these things, and I give it this context</b><b>in these documents, this is the style of</b><b>the output. And this is the thing that</b><b>it's going to say I can control it a lot</b><b>more. So mission critical workflows are</b><b>definitely about that ability to control</b><b>how the output is going to come. And</b><b>coming from the world of data science,</b><b>where we're used to that sort of thing,</b><b>it's just part and parcel. It's just</b><b>beautiful to see that it's coming out</b><b>this way. So, you know, athletes are out</b><b>there enjoying their thing, the software</b><b>athletes, this is a big</b><b>win for us, I think as a whole. So yeah,</b><b>really interesting stuff. What else were</b><b>you seeing in the news, Chris?</b><b>Yeah, some other like more fun and</b><b>interesting things that we got, you say</b><b>heard of runway, runway, they've just</b><b>done their gens free alpha update. So</b><b>it's not exactly one, but they are what</b><b>was really cool is how advanced their</b><b>fluid dynamics integration has become</b><b>without video. So you can upload an</b><b>image, had a bit of text. Yeah. And it</b><b>can generate a video based on on a very</b><b>short video based on that description</b><b>that you've put in. And a lot of some</b><b>businesses have done this quite well</b><b>already, we've seen it with a few other</b><b>other generator image generator tools,</b><b>when you say fluid dynamics, you talk</b><b>about like water, yeah, like</b><b>more liquid or gel and all type of stuff.</b><b>So if you want like fluid falling over a</b><b>flame coming, yeah, tree or some of the</b><b>videos that I've seen. Really, really</b><b>good for AI. And if you look at cinema in</b><b>general, yeah, one of the biggest</b><b>problems when it comes to any kind of, I</b><b>know, generating like when you look at</b><b>Marvel movies with all that, yeah, all</b><b>the buddy graphics that they put into it,</b><b>the biggest shortfall is usually to do</b><b>with fire or weird style dynamics,</b><b>because it's quite a</b><b>complex thing to generate.</b><b>Interesting. And now seeing that AI is</b><b>doing that, yeah, really realistically</b><b>is, is, that's pretty cool. Well, it's</b><b>all about like helping shortcut</b><b>workflows. Now, obviously, I'm sure I can</b><b>hear it already the complaints like, oh,</b><b>there's gonna just push more people out</b><b>of jobs and stuff, but it's gonna</b><b>accelerate, I think they'll be able to</b><b>utilize these tools now to be more</b><b>creative and focus on the thing by making</b><b>it more realistic than what the AI is</b><b>able to do. It's still</b><b>not all the way there.</b><b>Quality outputs. And I'd also argue that</b><b>if someone does get fired, either</b><b>controversial take, but either that</b><b>business was just going to do it anyway.</b><b>And they just found AI as a good excuse</b><b>and timing to do it, unfortunately, or it</b><b>might not be the tech fault, there could</b><b>be some other factors at play.</b><b>I mean, if I was to get fired, and I was</b><b>like, just not performing well,</b><b>unfortunately, that's that's a thing that</b><b>should be looked at. And that's not to</b><b>say that there's extremes where there's</b><b>people that shouldn't have been fired,</b><b>that get fired. And there's also people</b><b>that should well be fired or something</b><b>like that, because they're just not doing</b><b>well. But I think going back to that</b><b>whole Instagram thing we're talking about</b><b>at the start, hopefully through tools</b><b>like this, the transparency of</b><b>blockchain, the control that's starting</b><b>to come from and creativity of AI, and</b><b>efficiency where we're going to be able to do that.</b><b>And then we're going to see like new</b><b>worlds kind of form, but there's never</b><b>going to be anything perfect. So every</b><b>time we have done these tech moves</b><b>throughout the history of time, we just</b><b>opened up a Pandora's box</b><b>of new problems that we get.</b><b>Right. But we we march forward, like,</b><b>regardless of what one person or a few</b><b>groups or ants go marching one by one</b><b>week, stop it, we can't stop it. So we</b><b>got to learn how to be part of it to</b><b>control it. Otherwise, it controls us.</b><b>Yeah, that's so true. Mic drop. Mic drop.</b><b>Don't drop the mic. End</b><b>of the episode right there.</b><b>Is it though? Okay, so</b><b>welcome back to part eight.</b><b>No, but some more quick. So we've got Mid</b><b>Journey did their update, had a big</b><b>update this week. So faster response</b><b>time, more realistic images and pretty</b><b>cool content I've seen generated about</b><b>more accurate and adjustable results.</b><b>So better at word generating, which is</b><b>quite interesting. So a lot of things</b><b>that generate well is is copy. Yeah.</b><b>Somehow, Dali managed to get digital</b><b>Nexus integrated into</b><b>that. It took a few turns.</b><b>So it's pretty good to my though. And</b><b>then some of them have those like re</b><b>brushing or painting tools like with with</b><b>open AI, because it's using its Dali</b><b>model underneath when you get through</b><b>chat GPT, create an</b><b>image, you can brush over.</b><b>Let's just say that in this example, it</b><b>didn't say digital Nexus quite right, you</b><b>can just highlight with a brush over the</b><b>words and just say, turn this into the</b><b>wording digital Nexus. Yes, I've been</b><b>using that for like some, I'm going to do</b><b>some, I want to share it yet.</b><b>But I want to do some like just learnings</b><b>that we've had from psych and co about</b><b>it's not a how to guide necessarily, but</b><b>it's some of these like realizations that</b><b>you know, we if we're going to</b><b>mainstream, we need more deterministic</b><b>AI, or if you know, the</b><b>way that you're using things.</b><b>And you're getting stuck, well, use the</b><b>AI to help you learn just some of these</b><b>like profound things that lay lay persons</b><b>in the public or the</b><b>normal everyday person.</b><b>Yeah, they might learn how to use AI</b><b>tools and stuff. But there's these extra</b><b>things that are more philosophies that I</b><b>think are quite interesting. So I was</b><b>using, sorry, that brushing kind of thing</b><b>for that. But you're really interesting</b><b>going back to it that my journey is</b><b>improving that 100%.</b><b>And that probably been one of the the</b><b>best image generators, like from the</b><b>initial great days of AI coming out into</b><b>the market and being a big thing. So them</b><b>keeping themselves ahead to the game is</b><b>it's no small feats are good on them.</b><b>It's big feet. We've got, interestingly,</b><b>this is I haven't I haven't seen this</b><b>yet. I just saw a couple of articles on</b><b>and some people on united on x. Reddit</b><b>has integrated some AI</b><b>summaries now into the onto the watch.</b><b>Yeah, so you can tell me more you go to</b><b>any of your any of the pages, any of the</b><b>conversations that you might be finding</b><b>in Reddit. Okay. And there's now AI</b><b>summaries above the content.</b><b>Okay, so like instead of how it's a whole</b><b>thread. Yeah, let me bring it up. So it's</b><b>not just a thread is to your search</b><b>results as well. So, so users will see</b><b>will soon see AI generated summaries at</b><b>the top of their search results.</b><b>It was announced by Mr. Steve Hoffman,</b><b>the CEO, and told investors during his</b><b>earnings last Tuesday that the AI powered</b><b>search result page summarized and</b><b>recommended content will be highlighted.</b><b>So this will help deep dive into the</b><b>content and discover new Reddit</b><b>communities. Right. So that's quite a</b><b>that's kind of interesting. So seeing</b><b>some of the, you know, the the old school</b><b>content communities integrating some AI</b><b>into their platforms.</b><b>Could be fun. The other thing that's</b><b>interesting there is that with Google</b><b>search having their AI summaries and it</b><b>going funny and only what a month or a</b><b>few weeks before they were in trouble or</b><b>kind of lambasted because the AI image</b><b>generator was too woke creating African</b><b>American looking Nazis because it needed</b><b>people of color as part of anything that</b><b>you did like its custom</b><b>prompts were changing things of what</b><b>really happened historically. Now, a lot</b><b>of the time you get extreme ends of that</b><b>and so when they got to like go like</b><b>extreme extremities and lack of training</b><b>data is what has led to some of these</b><b>kinds of issues right and it's great that</b><b>people pointed out but it makes the</b><b>public think that our AI is bad and it's</b><b>just like no like you don't</b><b>understand why it got to that.</b><b>It's the other one keep forgetting that</b><b>these things were built by people. So</b><b>people make mistakes. It's like mistakes</b><b>but also the you know, it's just the</b><b>settings and stuff. And it's not if you</b><b>just change the settings actually okay.</b><b>But like on the had a real bad one right</b><b>where they you were able to create images</b><b>when they would release their AI image</b><b>generator for tools like what's happened.</b><b>You were able to generate content or</b><b>images of kids with guns shooting each</b><b>other. It was really it was so ridiculous</b><b>out on that one. The restrictions and</b><b>limp the non restrictions that they were</b><b>putting in place for</b><b>a lot of these tools.</b><b>What if it was like kids that wanted to</b><b>do it. They wanted to play like armies in</b><b>real life like we played armies back</b><b>there. A little stick figures and they</b><b>can anyway. That's wrong. Sorry folks.</b><b>But the Google search was like another</b><b>thing where they were doing summaries as well.</b><b>And you reminded me of that when you're</b><b>talking about Reddit because they were</b><b>getting in trouble a little bit and not</b><b>in trouble. It was just being pointed</b><b>out. It's funny that you'd ask it a thing</b><b>like how do you make pizza</b><b>cheese stick to the pizza.</b><b>And it's like we'll use glue or like</b><b>what's the healthy amount of rocks that I</b><b>can eat and it would tell you a healthy</b><b>amount of rocks that you could eat stupid</b><b>stuff like that. Now the reason why it</b><b>was giving those answers.</b><b>Google search is based on the outputs</b><b>right and the summarizes in</b><b>summarizations. It's even a better word</b><b>that it was doing is based on the</b><b>results. So for that how to stick cheese</b><b>on to pizza better. It was finding</b><b>results from Reddit and these were</b><b>completely troll posts.</b><b>So the reason why some of this stuff from</b><b>Google and the public didn't understand</b><b>they thought it was Google making this</b><b>up. No Google is just simply summarizing</b><b>what the world has already put out there.</b><b>So the reason for this. Some of these</b><b>funny ones funnily enough is because of</b><b>in some cases Reddit because there was</b><b>only one post on that particular topic.</b><b>So well that's its answer. So obviously</b><b>Google search needs to have controls in</b><b>there because if there's not enough</b><b>results or it looks like a funky result</b><b>don't pass it through. But it's ironic</b><b>that read it's now doing that. I can't</b><b>imagine what results we pull would come</b><b>up if they had things</b><b>like 4chan or oh my God.</b><b>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is that is crazy.</b><b>If there was ever anything like that do</b><b>not go there folks. But it's interesting.</b><b>It's interesting kind of stuff because</b><b>that's exactly what the kind of things</b><b>that I want to do with the content that</b><b>we've got which is like the OSD 5</b><b>Association content what we're doing for</b><b>digital Nexus just the these summaries</b><b>that make things more accessible and</b><b>people being able to search like OK.</b><b>What do the guys talk about. I haven't</b><b>seen their show before. I haven't been to</b><b>an OSD 5 meetup. What are some of the</b><b>topics and trends. Oh great. I can look</b><b>at the summary and now all there's a</b><b>video and if they are interested. Well</b><b>you know we'll have all that kind of</b><b>stuff loaded up in this like</b><b>as something people can access.</b><b>So I think it's it's a really great thing</b><b>to see others doing that because then it</b><b>becomes just expected. You know we didn't</b><b>search before we didn't do Google. Yeah</b><b>we had like Austin asked Jeeves and Yahoo</b><b>and obviously they they changed the game</b><b>with their algorithm.</b><b>Yeah exactly exactly. So they they you</b><b>know these new waves of seeing how we do</b><b>things and we spoke about it last week</b><b>where it was like the move from search</b><b>being the main thing on the results page</b><b>in the AI assistance on the side.</b><b>But you've got folks like perplexity</b><b>where the AI results are the summary.</b><b>That's the main part in the middle and</b><b>the sources are on the side and open AI</b><b>doing this search GPT. When that comes</b><b>out. Speaking of open AI voice.</b><b>Which is which is kind of I mean they've</b><b>had the voice available. Advanced voice</b><b>for a while. But yes. Scarlett Johansson</b><b>voice. Oh wait no no not Scarlett. It was</b><b>never her. Yeah</b><b>exactly. It was never H E R.</b><b>So yeah it's interesting right. Like I</b><b>don't know if they found like a</b><b>replacement voice for that but I heard</b><b>that it was like coming out in bait like</b><b>it wasn't out they show case that on</b><b>stage and they showed videos which look</b><b>great got people excited.</b><b>But going back to the rabbit and turtle</b><b>thing people wanted access to it and just</b><b>couldn't because it wasn't released yet</b><b>and they delayed it by a month as well.</b><b>But now we're that month later because</b><b>time flies. But people suddenly get it</b><b>now. So what's happening.</b><b>Have you have you seen I have I've only</b><b>seen the content I haven't had a chance</b><b>to play with I don't have access to it.</b><b>But it's a lowly person that the thing</b><b>that has been missing from the one that</b><b>is accessible is that ability for it to</b><b>essentially act almost like an educator</b><b>having more context having to actually do</b><b>things in a much more human engaged</b><b>environment actually respond even faster.</b><b>So that's that's what this is all. So</b><b>it's going to read bedtime stories. Your</b><b>little one look after you kid. It's now</b><b>essentially going to be that a I</b><b>babysitter babysitter slash nanny that</b><b>we've always wanted with</b><b>the voice of not not her.</b><b>Why the long pause. I</b><b>don't know. I'm a polar bear.</b><b>This is a different take on that joke</b><b>anyway. So I mean I'm pretty excited for</b><b>this. Like it's one of those. It's one of</b><b>the things that have when it comes to a I</b><b>having that extra human element and for</b><b>some people it's creepy but I've a pretty</b><b>I love this idea of not having to type</b><b>things having to have</b><b>a conversation with it.</b><b>And the existing format is pretty cool</b><b>but there is still that that sort of</b><b>mechanical response to the conversation.</b><b>It's less natural. It's less natural. And</b><b>this is like taking that natural state up</b><b>a notch which I'm pretty excited for.</b><b>I'm very excited for that kind of stuff.</b><b>That's a pretty good news there. And you</b><b>said you know before we all got ready for</b><b>this that and we missed doing it last</b><b>time but we're going to talk about tools</b><b>and stuff last time I think we just ran</b><b>out because there was so</b><b>much to talk about for the hour.</b><b>But we did want to make an effort around</b><b>the tools this time. Do you want to talk</b><b>about that? I mean this is coming in</b><b>touch with like a lot of the stuff that</b><b>I've been working on with both businesses</b><b>while we're touching on the webinar is</b><b>what type of tools are for people like we</b><b>get excited about these image.</b><b>Generating content. We get excited about</b><b>all the new LLM features and video</b><b>features and the next big thing in the</b><b>market how psych is changing</b><b>the game of security and music.</b><b>But it's like we never talk about the</b><b>application of it for people's roles,</b><b>people's jobs, people's workflows, etc.</b><b>So I thought I just like interesting.</b><b>Yeah. And I want to do is not all roles,</b><b>jobs or even just like it's not a job.</b><b>It's just something you do day to day or</b><b>use AI the same way. Yeah, exactly right.</b><b>So what I've done, what I've been doing</b><b>is just talking with a few people around</b><b>tools that they use in</b><b>certain job roles, positions.</b><b>Nice. And a lot of these you would have</b><b>heard us talk about a lot of these you</b><b>would definitely have probably even</b><b>touched on and utilized or tested with.</b><b>But so for those who have been following</b><b>us or have had who have been deep in</b><b>learning about AI themselves, apologies</b><b>if this is repeating</b><b>what you already know.</b><b>But for those who don't who are</b><b>interested in understanding what tools</b><b>they might want to play with to learn</b><b>more is a couple of</b><b>things that I've got here.</b><b>So for our UI and designers, something</b><b>that I've been really I mean, Leonardo</b><b>was traditionally one of the my fun ones</b><b>to play with because of his customization</b><b>elements that and combined with Figma.</b><b>And it's new features that have come out.</b><b>I decide as controversies surrounding it.</b><b>Really, really awesome for creating for</b><b>being pushing that creativity element a</b><b>little bit further than what you may be</b><b>able to normally do.</b><b>Also, for there's a lot of designers out</b><b>there who work in really short bursts who</b><b>are doing quick design solutions and</b><b>having these AI tools now allow these</b><b>quick designers, people are doing jobs on</b><b>the side to be able to create</b><b>much more powerful solutions.</b><b>For their clients and customers. You</b><b>know, if people don't have a lot of</b><b>budget, these tools now allow you to do</b><b>things really, really rapidly.</b><b>So if you've got if you've got a startup</b><b>and you're a designer and you know, you</b><b>can't they can't afford to spend 20 30k</b><b>on a big redesign using something like</b><b>Leonardo combined with Figma.</b><b>And the works allows you to create these</b><b>brands, these designs, these logos, these</b><b>images so so quickly, like using Adobe</b><b>logo tool in itself is like a huge fast</b><b>track to be able to create</b><b>brand brand for organization.</b><b>So absolutely, there's a couple of tools</b><b>there. Researchers. This is a place that</b><b>I space that I play in</b><b>quite a lot. Oh, yeah. Okay.</b><b>Okay. Particularly from a UX perspective,</b><b>if you are someone who is looking to</b><b>enhance how you capture insights and</b><b>information, whether you're doing</b><b>interviews, whether you don't want to do</b><b>interviews and you're just trying to</b><b>sprinkle that extra bit of data on top of</b><b>stuff you already know or</b><b>insights you already have.</b><b>Yeah. Juno is is one I kind of mentioned it</b><b>before I think in passing, but June is</b><b>essentially a tool that allows you to</b><b>send out, whether it's forms or, or some</b><b>kind of unique flow of capturing data and</b><b>insights from people out to a mass wide</b><b>of audience, come get that information</b><b>back and you're the AI tool, then groups</b><b>all the information together for you and</b><b>gives you the insights out without having</b><b>to sift through all of the data.</b><b>So it's kind of like a, a one stop shop</b><b>for distributing, you know, out to a</b><b>large database of using research back and</b><b>having it already ordered for you.</b><b>You know, on that note, like one thing</b><b>that research, you need people to fill in</b><b>the research, you need volume, you need</b><b>numbers and stuff there</b><b>and it's not always easy.</b><b>And especially in a world where you find</b><b>sometimes that you either have to offer</b><b>incentives and stuff for people to do</b><b>that, or you always have to offer</b><b>incentives, but those incentives needing</b><b>to up their game a little bit more.</b><b>Now, obviously, that's a costly thing</b><b>cost of living is not just for</b><b>individuals. It's also for businesses as</b><b>well. The cost of having a business is</b><b>going up. But interestingly, there's been</b><b>research that's put out there. I'm not</b><b>showing anything here.</b><b>I don't have a link, but I've seen Ethan</b><b>Mollick post on this. He's one of those</b><b>profound. He's written books in terms of</b><b>like co intelligence and he's a lecturer</b><b>and and show cases a lot.</b><b>Share cases? That's a new word. Share</b><b>cases? Yeah. Yeah. It's a showing of</b><b>shares to have a case of what to do next.</b><b>Pretty much. And so share casing some</b><b>really interesting kind of papers. And</b><b>one of them was on synthetic research.</b><b>And there's always been this concept of</b><b>if you've got the right kind of content,</b><b>or you can just get the AI to make up</b><b>different kind of personas and then doing</b><b>research based on having</b><b>the AI act as those personas.</b><b>So research is leveled up by not just</b><b>like the tools that help you summarize</b><b>and get things out there, but even AI</b><b>acting as part and I would do it in the</b><b>sense of not just like necessarily random</b><b>and raw make it up from the start.</b><b>But if you've got an audience and you've</b><b>got audience types and this percentage is</b><b>like this type of investor, for example,</b><b>if it's an investor audience, you could</b><b>have the AI mimic that so that you can</b><b>test features like this is our audience.</b><b>Tell me how the AI would react to this</b><b>new feature that we're putting in without</b><b>actually having to put out some of those</b><b>surveys. Now, obviously, it's not the</b><b>same as real things change in the outside</b><b>world, but it can definitely help.</b><b>It's a good way to test and quickly just</b><b>to quick learn to check things out before</b><b>you might want to put it in front of some</b><b>actual people to gain</b><b>insights and feedback.</b><b>And as you said, because that leads into</b><b>a couple of other tools, I'll touch</b><b>firstly on dovetail, which I think is a</b><b>great one, which is much more for the one</b><b>to one interviews in a virtual.</b><b>What are you going to dovetail into?</b><b>I'm going to dovetail into the dovetail</b><b>AI researcher tool. So you can use that</b><b>for one to one interviews. It captures as</b><b>insights feedback loop.</b><b>But touching on what you just said is I</b><b>still I'm still every time I go back to</b><b>open AI for for the very reason of what</b><b>you said around creating those personas.</b><b>It's just a really easy way to do it and</b><b>do some internal testing with things</b><b>called you can do it as well.</b><b>And even even more interestingly, which</b><b>I've been wanting to test out is you'd be</b><b>able to do it in psych.</b><b>So imagine if you create a dreams with</b><b>personas and you got all the different</b><b>dreams to talk about each other to talk</b><b>to each other and provide that insight.</b><b>And that's why that's going to be one of</b><b>the big tools I'm going to be using in my</b><b>next my next project that I'm</b><b>waiting for that very reason.</b><b>Definitely a big</b><b>tool. That's what we are.</b><b>Another one there for the researchers is</b><b>perplexity and I can't spell this enough</b><b>purely because of its kind of rag model</b><b>approach where you're able to quite</b><b>easily gain insight to</b><b>where the information was.</b><b>And again, I put psych next to that one.</b><b>Yeah, I'm going to be using psych over</b><b>perplexity in my next my next</b><b>project as I just highlighted.</b><b>Throw your dog PDFs and</b><b>word docs in and then go.</b><b>Where did that answer</b><b>come from? Yeah, exactly.</b><b>So this gives you the recommend</b><b>recommendations to relevant queries,</b><b>gives you questions that you might want</b><b>to have asked to tailor responses and</b><b>also shows you where</b><b>that content is coming from.</b><b>Yeah, I love it.</b><b>That just it makes that sort of desk</b><b>research. Yeah, so much more easy when I</b><b>do searches like so if I just want</b><b>creative stuff, okay, reformat this like</b><b>I'll use psych for that.</b><b>Or if you know I'm working with someone</b><b>that I have psych that we just go open up</b><b>chat GPT and let's let's do this.</b><b>So when it comes to stuff where you</b><b>actually need the sources, I don't only</b><b>need the answer, but I need to know that</b><b>it's come from somewhere</b><b>reputable. I use perplexity.</b><b>So yeah, that's exactly it. Interesting.</b><b>So we've got a few more. I won't go</b><b>through because I think we'll keep these</b><b>for some other days, but I want to I'm</b><b>going to skip down the bottom for our</b><b>project managers out there.</b><b>And these are people who are in because</b><b>this is something that's a little</b><b>different and we don't</b><b>talk about this a lot.</b><b>Product managers are people too. Okay.</b><b>Product managers are people too. So</b><b>project manager for one dollar a day. You</b><b>can sponsor a product manager.</b><b>I'm sure our gel coaches and the works</b><b>have probably heard about a lot of these.</b><b>But Atlassian, for example, has made a</b><b>lot of strides in the space.</b><b>Obviously, that huge company.</b><b>I've heard of those guys. Yeah, I've just</b><b>suddenly popped into my view. I don't</b><b>know why I've never heard of them before.</b><b>I did projects for</b><b>Atlassian way back in the day.</b><b>Well, as with Atlassian as a client, I</b><b>was an auditor. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I</b><b>had done some stuff there.</b><b>Actually, no, it wasn't ordered.</b><b>I apologize. I used to work near their</b><b>old offices when I was in an audit like a</b><b>decade ago, over a decade ago.</b><b>But when I was working for a consulting</b><b>firm, I was doing some stuff with their</b><b>finance department. And one of the days</b><b>that I was there was a chili eating</b><b>contest at Atlassian.</b><b>Now, obviously, nothing AI back then. But</b><b>I could reimagine that now with image,</b><b>you know, really interesting stuff.</b><b>Sidecar, no, please go</b><b>back to what you thought.</b><b>Please, please talk about what, you know,</b><b>the real value of it. Yeah, so I mean, so</b><b>these are they're at new AI tool allows</b><b>you to pretty much if you've had a</b><b>conversation, you've captured</b><b>requirements, you've got documentation</b><b>around what it is you need to deliver,</b><b>you can pretty much put into this tool.</b><b>And it will give you a project plan,</b><b>essentially, what you need to do and how</b><b>you need to do it. Furthermore, if you</b><b>have even more detail tool, I recommend</b><b>something called product monkey, which</b><b>I've learned about recently, thanks to my</b><b>colleague who I'm going to be doing one</b><b>of the webinars with the</b><b>next couple of week, net Mr.</b><b>Matt, and that's it. And more failed</b><b>here. We've met through the blockchain</b><b>space. Yeah, he used to work at</b><b>immutable. And we've met him through</b><b>that. And I've been on a panel with him</b><b>talking AI. Yes, done.</b><b>Yeah, yeah, very cool. So yeah, product</b><b>monkey is nice little niche for</b><b>converting essentially all of your assets</b><b>in size designs, such as stuff you might</b><b>have done in Figma into your project</b><b>stories. So for agile folk out there who</b><b>run agile projects, and they need to have</b><b>everything summarized</b><b>into stories and tickets.</b><b>This tool allows you to create that</b><b>really simple can ban insight, just based</b><b>on the content you've already created. So</b><b>you may have your app designed up, you</b><b>put it into this tool, and it will map</b><b>out the stories for you. So very powerful</b><b>and quick way to fast track how you get</b><b>into the development phase of things.</b><b>And obviously, you still want to make</b><b>sure you put your professional product I</b><b>over the top of all these things that</b><b>none of them are 100% accurate. They're</b><b>all be obviously still very early stage,</b><b>but they are very, very good for fast</b><b>tracking how you work.</b><b>Are you going to create a show called</b><b>like product I for the non product guy</b><b>product I for the non product guy? I</b><b>don't know. The new on Netflix 2025.</b><b>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Coming soon.</b><b>Straight after the Olympics.</b><b>It's interesting, though, because like,</b><b>regardless of all these tools, the things</b><b>I do keep coming back to and I don't know</b><b>why I haven't figured it out. I always</b><b>come back to open AI. But I'm not sure</b><b>why that is the case yet.</b><b>I mean, I think it's a lot of people are like, Oh, wow, they're you know, they're</b><b>the origin. They're like, as I almost</b><b>think of it like a theory in the</b><b>blockchain space. And there's a lot of</b><b>these other things that are built on top</b><b>of a theory and</b><b>adjacent to opposite of that.</b><b>And I think people still talk about,</b><b>well, okay, you're building a blockchain</b><b>platform is a language you're using going</b><b>to be EBM compatible theory and virtual</b><b>machine because it's the thing that is</b><b>synonymous with the space how open AI</b><b>have created like, I mean, if it wasn't</b><b>for chat, you'd know</b><b>them as an API company.</b><b>They have their great API is even out</b><b>before GBT three and GBT two, etc, where</b><b>you could just API into it to get</b><b>sentence completion. And obviously, it's</b><b>grown to far more than that. But yeah,</b><b>it's, there's natural reasons why you</b><b>always look back at them.</b><b>But then it's like when you look at the</b><b>nuance and stuff there, and it has these</b><b>things that I don't quite need. And you</b><b>know, this other tool has this kind of</b><b>stuff. I like the images better. That's</b><b>when you know, the nuance kind of breaks.</b><b>But yeah, it's it I see why you go back</b><b>to it. So what's happened? Yeah, no,</b><b>nothing happened. Just more of an</b><b>interesting just a commentary. Why didn't</b><b>it happen the way that I</b><b>was thinking it would happen?</b><b>How it happens. Anything else from</b><b>yourself, mate? Like, you know, just</b><b>stuff and junk. No, we've got a really</b><b>interesting next week. And we'll throw it</b><b>up on. Let me throw it up on screen.</b><b>Jamie, I can be my own Jamie.</b><b>13th of August. 13th of August, you and I</b><b>are going to be filming a really</b><b>interesting. What are we calling it? It's</b><b>it's all about democracy, the convergence</b><b>of digital stuff. So AI, blockchain, how</b><b>does that actually help with democracy?</b><b>And we're not just talking about</b><b>ourselves. We're actually talking about</b><b>this with some people that are very close</b><b>to the space. So the former digital</b><b>minister for Taiwan, Audrey Tang, is here</b><b>gracing our shores with Glenn whale.</b><b>Glenn is a founder of something called</b><b>radical exchange and was a pioneer of a</b><b>technique to governance called quadratic</b><b>voting and very important in the</b><b>blockchain space and has written co</b><b>written papers with Vitalik Buterin, who</b><b>is the founder of Ethereum, along with</b><b>others, but very well known in the space.</b><b>So they work with Vitalik. They're here</b><b>to talk with state and federal government</b><b>ministers because Taiwan has their</b><b>digital democracy kind of model. They're</b><b>very digital native over there.</b><b>How with Australia having like a digital</b><b>ID coming up that's being worked on. And</b><b>I'll show you something on that as well.</b><b>This is a very interesting topic right</b><b>here at Stone and Chalk. We're on level</b><b>four right now. It's just outside free</b><b>food and pizzas. Sign up links below.</b><b>That's on Tuesday. So by the time you're</b><b>seeing this, hopefully on Monday, it will</b><b>be the day after. So definitely worth</b><b>checking out. And then another thing that</b><b>I wanted to just show was just quickly,</b><b>if I can, that's back to that.</b><b>How do I go back to my other screen here?</b><b>Here's the John Shulman tweet. But</b><b>speaking of digital, one of the things</b><b>that's come out is that the Australian</b><b>government has read into parliament.</b><b>They've had a first bill and a second</b><b>bill reading, which is where they're at.</b><b>They've had a second bill reading, which</b><b>is where things become law. Yep. Had</b><b>consultations before that. This thing is</b><b>still open for not consultation, but</b><b>feedback. And one of the things that we</b><b>did was throw all of this kind of stuff</b><b>in a psych. So this is the whole standard</b><b>here. So actually, I want to open it up,</b><b>but you can see that I'm scrolling</b><b>through. There's a ton of content. I've</b><b>just thrown all of this into like</b><b>different components in psych. I've got</b><b>not centralized our thoughts on that</b><b>space, our thoughts on</b><b>privacy, our thoughts about.</b><b>Because one thing, the two things that we</b><b>wanted to say, we didn't answer every</b><b>question that was there for the feedback.</b><b>We just said there's two things we want</b><b>to get across. And one is that you need</b><b>to think about privacy and something that</b><b>blockchain is really good at and why you</b><b>should consider a compliant blockchain</b><b>because you can identify everyone and</b><b>everyone has to have a</b><b>real ID, can't be fake people.</b><b>But with another thing about blockchain</b><b>privacy is that you can put what's called</b><b>a zero knowledge proof on top. And we've</b><b>used it in our project that we did with</b><b>the RBA. We're using it on a current</b><b>blockchain project, which is to do with</b><b>payments in the real estate space so that</b><b>you and I can you're the landlord. I'm</b><b>the tenant. I can pay you. I'm paying</b><b>Aussie dollars. You're receiving Aussie</b><b>dollars. But in the middle, you don't</b><b>have to worry about signing up for</b><b>blockchain, a wallet or anything like</b><b>that. We'll take care of that in the</b><b>middle. And so it's that layer that is just helping with the blockchain.</b><b>And so layer that is just helping with</b><b>payments, but we need to keep things</b><b>secret in there in terms of you can't see</b><b>everyone's details all at once, like</b><b>blockchain itself. As soon as you and I</b><b>have done a deal or transacted, you can</b><b>naturally just see what's on my wallet.</b><b>Yeah. And there's other ways around it,</b><b>like, hey, have multiple wallets, but</b><b>who's going to do that. And so we're</b><b>bringing in some of these techniques and</b><b>I think they apply to digital IDs. And I</b><b>put in a set of instructions here and I</b><b>said, take all these ingredients</b><b>basically and write me a draft. And I'll</b><b>just show you like an</b><b>example of this. So if I hit run,</b><b>instructions here, if I can spell because</b><b>I always type well when I'm, you know,</b><b>under pressure and structured in</b><b>structions because one of the notes</b><b>that's in on the screen here, apart from</b><b>all the different things like the bill,</b><b>what the bills about the thoughts that</b><b>not centralized has the projects that</b><b>we've worked on. And it takes a little</b><b>bit of time here because there's a lot in</b><b>there. But by putting in an instructions</b><b>note, Chris, I can tell the AI that I</b><b>want you to look at this note here. This</b><b>is what this one's about. I want you to</b><b>compare it to this. I want you to put in</b><b>your response. This talk talks</b><b>about the examples that not centralized</b><b>has done, etc. So obviously, this is a</b><b>draft and I would need to rework this.</b><b>But it gives you like a nice what an</b><b>assistant what a human assistant would,</b><b>you know, do for you. And now if you were</b><b>the assistant, you would then take this</b><b>further before you you hand it up to your</b><b>boss. Or if you're a one man show, it</b><b>makes life a little bit easier.</b><b>And this is what I love about in this is</b><b>why I mentioned the research piece</b><b>before, because the ability for you to be</b><b>able to then silo buckets of information,</b><b>try to have the tool, raw comparisons or</b><b>draw insights between the two without</b><b>just having one big block of text.</b><b>Yeah, which is what we're seeing on</b><b>screen here. So these buckets of</b><b>information. And the cool thing like, you</b><b>know, this is you know, why we did this,</b><b>remember how I was talking about the</b><b>start, when months ago, we did this</b><b>because instead of a long chat thread or</b><b>having to have multiple chat threads,</b><b>I can just do this all in the one area, I</b><b>can edit in here and it doesn't affect</b><b>other parts. Exactly. I don't have to</b><b>repaste the myriad of text I put up top</b><b>because I wanted to tweak something you</b><b>can now regenerate based on adjustments</b><b>you've made within within</b><b>one of each of those dreams.</b><b>We're like a bureau of adjustments and</b><b>adjustment bureau. Adjustment bureau.</b><b>That was a movie with Matt Damon and</b><b>dammit. I thought I was the</b><b>first one to come up with that.</b><b>I mean, I'll have to call my adjustment</b><b>bureau to wipe people's memories. Anyway,</b><b>yeah, the building blocks of time and</b><b>money and power is all there. So that was</b><b>the last thing for me.</b><b>Sorry to shout into the mic.</b><b>Episode seven. That's, that was really</b><b>good. I think we'll wrap it up there. A</b><b>lot happened this week. A lot of stuff</b><b>happening next week. 15th of August,</b><b>we've, we've got the event.</b><b>Webinar for me on the 15th of August is</b><b>your webinar. 13th of August, we've got</b><b>international guests, international</b><b>guests on the blockchain space. And then</b><b>on the 20th, 20th, the OSD phi.</b><b>End of month over here in Sydney. And</b><b>yeah, it's gonna be fun. I thought I just</b><b>do one thing as we leave. I'm gonna head</b><b>downstairs, Chris. What? I don't know.</b><b>Because I just want to go downstairs. See</b><b>folks, where are you going? Bye. Bye.</b>