<b>[MUSIC]</b><b>[MUSIC]</b><b>I'm not hugely into it.</b><b>Yeah, it really is.</b><b>Anyway, we're at</b><b>episode nine here, folks.</b><b>This is-</b><b>Episode nine.</b><b>Stick to eating the dogs and cats, yeah?</b><b>We didn't play that.</b><b>You know why I took it up?</b><b>It didn't, because we ended up mumbling</b><b>too much before we</b><b>started the same episode.</b><b>Oh, you could have just drowned us out.</b><b>Well, yeah, it just didn't lead into the</b><b>conversation problem.</b><b>Anyway, look it up, folks.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Cats and Dogs remix.</b><b>I'm sure it's going</b><b>to be the hottest song.</b><b>Dogs, I OOP the Dogs.</b><b>The rest of the year.</b><b>They eat the cats.</b><b>The campaign slogan of 2024.</b><b>They eat the dogs.</b><b>It sounded more like a</b><b>bad honey presentation.</b><b>Regardless of your</b><b>political beliefs and stuff.</b><b>It was an entertaining song.</b><b>It was very entertaining.</b><b>It did the rounds very nicely.</b><b>Yeah, great sound bites.</b><b>Anyway, how are you?</b><b>What's happening this week?</b><b>It's been a very busy</b><b>research prep orientated week,</b><b>which has been cool because I mean,</b><b>delving a lot into some</b><b>really interesting tools.</b><b>I said the magic word.</b><b>You know he's fake AI folks.</b><b>He said delve.</b><b>Delving.</b><b>Delving?</b><b>Delving? Delving is the magic word.</b><b>As soon as you see delve or in the realms</b><b>of, you know, it's AI generated.</b><b>Chris.</b><b>Maybe I am AI.</b><b>Pinch yourself, mate.</b><b>I am.</b><b>See how good it is.</b><b>See how realistic this is.</b><b>These video generators are ridiculous.</b><b>We can't tell the difference now.</b><b>No.</b><b>We're going to start off.</b><b>Me.</b><b>I'm actually in bed right now asleep.</b><b>This is it.</b><b>It's that Bruce Willis</b><b>movie replicants or something.</b><b>But there's going to be a</b><b>bit of talk about podcast.</b><b>I'm asleep right now.</b><b>So this is I'm the night Chris.</b><b>Oh, you're not.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>Rick and Morty reference there folks.</b><b>It's all about the</b><b>references here on a Friday.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>So, so recently.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So I've been, I'm really excited.</b><b>I'm doing this recent page and I'm using</b><b>this particular tool, two tools.</b><b>I've been using quite a</b><b>lot dovetail and Juno.</b><b>Hey Juno is really, it's a, it's conducts</b><b>a study or a survey</b><b>is a really bad word to</b><b>use.</b><b>It only isn't so it's like</b><b>an interview using an LLM.</b><b>So like a survey.</b><b>So, but you're engaging the conversation</b><b>and the AI adapts the</b><b>questionings to help</b><b>you get the outcomes you need without</b><b>having to have a person</b><b>conduct the interviews.</b><b>Oh, interesting.</b><b>So while surveys, you know, you're very</b><b>fixed on, on the</b><b>questions and answers you get with</b><b>using AI, it's able to adapt.</b><b>And that's, so I've been utilizing that</b><b>for this project and very, very cool.</b><b>What it can do.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Cause you, you need to get like info out</b><b>of clients and stuff.</b><b>And sometimes just asking a question a</b><b>certain way doesn't,</b><b>doesn't help us to the right</b><b>answer.</b><b>Right.</b><b>Exactly right.</b><b>And then you can get a little bit more</b><b>involved in conducting in two-tone.</b><b>That's it.</b><b>I mean, I know I've been there.</b><b>So, but yeah, that's that,</b><b>that is pretty interesting.</b><b>Like it's, it's that reversal of things.</b><b>Like we've, we've done projects where</b><b>it's like using psych as</b><b>an engine to extract answers</b><b>to set questions instead of the user</b><b>having to find the answers themselves.</b><b>It just draws it out of documents.</b><b>So it saves them time, but</b><b>that's an interesting one.</b><b>Cause it's like the, the other way</b><b>around, how do you have</b><b>the questions be the thing</b><b>that adapts?</b><b>Great.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And so the great thing about it is it's</b><b>able to add that extra</b><b>layer where I've always</b><b>found traditional survey</b><b>is a little bit cumbersome.</b><b>Like you they're long and annoying and</b><b>people really don't engage with it.</b><b>You know, AI sprinkles a little bit of</b><b>unique magic to the</b><b>experience for personalizing</b><b>it.</b><b>It doesn't take away from the one-to-one</b><b>interviews that you still</b><b>want to have or putting people</b><b>in front of products</b><b>and testing and learning.</b><b>It just adds that extra layer of where</b><b>traditional surveys, I</b><b>think, get rid of that and replace</b><b>it with these AI tools.</b><b>I love it.</b><b>It's so much better.</b><b>Fantastic.</b><b>And what's coming up for you this week?</b><b>Well this week we're</b><b>hitting the weekend already.</b><b>I mean, this is for us, it's a Friday.</b><b>People will see this on Monday, Tuesday.</b><b>Comms you from the past.</b><b>Ooh, magic.</b><b>You know that saying like, here's a photo</b><b>of me when I was younger.</b><b>Every photo of you is a photo</b><b>of you when you were younger.</b><b>Technically, everything you look at other</b><b>than a mirror is a,</b><b>technically even a mirror.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Cause you know, light takes that split</b><b>second to get from your</b><b>eye, from the mirror back</b><b>to your eye.</b><b>Yep.</b><b>You're always looking</b><b>at yourself in the past.</b><b>Oh, exactly.</b><b>It's crazy.</b><b>Look at all the stars.</b><b>You've technically never</b><b>seen yourself in the present.</b><b>No, technically.</b><b>Anyway, that's crazy.</b><b>That's crazy.</b><b>Episode nine, folks.</b><b>It's all about the crazy stuff.</b><b>Getting deep.</b><b>Getting deep.</b><b>What have I been up to, Chris?</b><b>What have I been up to?</b><b>What have you been up to?</b><b>Please explain to yourself.</b><b>Illucidate on the words that are coming</b><b>out of this, the Saurus</b><b>is basically a few events.</b><b>So we'll talk about that.</b><b>AI and healthcare.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Such an AI.</b><b>You know, rate this transcript, run it</b><b>through an AI detector</b><b>and it's going to find it.</b><b>It found old writing of mine, early</b><b>detectors that it reckoned</b><b>that I wrote it with AI that</b><b>was from like 2010.</b><b>I don't know how it knew I was a robot</b><b>back then, but I believe it.</b><b>Anyway, it's been events,</b><b>AI and healthcare events.</b><b>I've run a round table with folks at the</b><b>build club on the upcoming AI regulations</b><b>as not just the one government</b><b>department's looking at overall kind of</b><b>mandatory guardrails,</b><b>but even a specific area</b><b>which is in healthcare.</b><b>And funnily enough, there</b><b>was that healthcare event.</b><b>They're looking at what they can do when</b><b>it comes to regulating</b><b>and having safe AI for</b><b>healthcare.</b><b>So really interesting stuff there.</b><b>And they're just playing around with like</b><b>Google, you know, the</b><b>notebook LN, which we'll go</b><b>through, which is going to</b><b>make redundant us potentially.</b><b>Well I mean, it's not</b><b>going to make us redundant.</b><b>I think it will.</b><b>We're still going to have to, we still</b><b>have to go into the</b><b>tool ourselves and add the</b><b>things we want.</b><b>I'm already working on</b><b>automation and stuff there.</b><b>Don't worry about it.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>We have to automate it.</b><b>And then, and then we just</b><b>live off the back end of that.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>I'm so excited for it.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>Well, let's bring up notebook LN.</b><b>I think you had.</b><b>Start with Google's.</b><b>You had, you had a video.</b><b>You had a video here.</b><b>And this is like an example from a</b><b>YouTuber that I don't think</b><b>we need to show the video.</b><b>You've got a live example of it.</b><b>I didn't mean to go into full screen.</b><b>I do have a live example.</b><b>I am using a new browser folks, which is</b><b>our, which has got the left hand.</b><b>Tell me about your experience with art.</b><b>Because I tried to use this.</b><b>Welcome to our many, many months ago.</b><b>And I just, I just couldn't, I couldn't</b><b>every time I used it, I</b><b>was finding myself going</b><b>back to brave or Google.</b><b>Left hand mode is I guess the hardest</b><b>thing to get around</b><b>because you're here and you've</b><b>already got something that may have a</b><b>left hand thing in the,</b><b>in the actual browser.</b><b>And the browser itself is a collection of</b><b>tabs on the left hand side.</b><b>So I guess that's the bug that I don't,</b><b>it's not a bug, but</b><b>it's just a feature I don't</b><b>quite like.</b><b>And I'm sure there's a way that you can</b><b>maybe move to the top.</b><b>However, what I do like is that, and I'm</b><b>not showing it here.</b><b>I've got another tab where I</b><b>can group things basically.</b><b>So here's all the, like the side tabs</b><b>that I've got there.</b><b>Work and other kind of stuff</b><b>meaningfully, then you can</b><b>say brave on Google, like in</b><b>Chrome, you can, you</b><b>can really group things.</b><b>Do you mean by having</b><b>like different profiles?</b><b>Oh, you can have profiles and grouping.</b><b>Oh, okay.</b><b>That's another way like, I might need to</b><b>go back to Chrome</b><b>because I've been using brave</b><b>for the longest time.</b><b>But anyway, it's an experiment.</b><b>We'll see.</b><b>Point is notebook LM.</b><b>This was something</b><b>that was taken from a pod.</b><b>I basically took meeting notes from one</b><b>of the round tables</b><b>and stuff that we did for</b><b>build club talking about</b><b>the upcoming IO regulations.</b><b>And what's going to play here on screen</b><b>is basically a podcast</b><b>that's been created and</b><b>a really interesting.</b><b>What's the, what's the text</b><b>that you've implemented here?</b><b>Like what have you said?</b><b>Cause there's a process to get to this.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So I said, I took the transcript from not</b><b>transcript, but I</b><b>took notes from a meeting</b><b>that we did.</b><b>I just threw those notes in.</b><b>And then the LLM or the</b><b>Google notebook has gone.</b><b>Okay, cool.</b><b>These are interesting points.</b><b>I'm going to create a</b><b>podcast just off those points.</b><b>It's not like you've put in text or</b><b>you've put in a transcript.</b><b>It's literally just, I</b><b>could take a transcript.</b><b>I've done you can, but it's more like,</b><b>all you've done is put a</b><b>bunch of notes and it's</b><b>just been made this 10 minute podcast off</b><b>the back of some top points.</b><b>It's based.</b><b>Let's have, let's have a listen.</b><b>It's up before we get into the detail.</b><b>I'm dry, right?</b><b>But trust me, this is way more</b><b>interesting than it sounds,</b><b>especially if you're, well,</b><b>you know, actually building</b><b>AI or using it in your work.</b><b>It's a big deal and we're</b><b>going to deep dive into it today.</b><b>Think like passionate debate with tech</b><b>people, coffee, maybe some vegemite.</b><b>You know, there was a coffee.</b><b>And the really juicy part, we're not just</b><b>talking about like lines</b><b>of code and algorithms.</b><b>This is about, you know, who gets to</b><b>define what responsible AI</b><b>even means and the ripple</b><b>effects.</b><b>Those are going to be felt by everyone.</b><b>Businesses, innovators, you know, every</b><b>Aussie is just trying to order takeout.</b><b>It's going to touch a lot of lives.</b><b>So to get into all of that, we're going</b><b>right to the source, the Build Club.</b><b>It's this group of developers, tech</b><b>folks, basically anyone deep in the</b><b>trenches of Australian</b><b>AI, right?</b><b>Crazy, right?</b><b>They had a bit of a powwow recently about</b><b>these proposed AI</b><b>guardrails from government.</b><b>Very American.</b><b>And let me tell you, from what</b><b>I hear, it got pretty lively.</b><b>Oh, it did not get pretty lively.</b><b>And we did not have coffee.</b><b>It was all just like coffee.</b><b>It was all online and it's taken it from</b><b>just notes that I've created.</b><b>But in any case, it does imagine stuff.</b><b>And they do highlight there that</b><b>notebook, L.A. may sometimes give</b><b>inaccurate responses,</b><b>but it's creative.</b><b>So for creative things, I</b><b>think it is interesting.</b><b>Some people have thrown in actual like</b><b>documents of like, here's the AI</b><b>guardrails or here's</b><b>the consultation papers.</b><b>So just be careful with that because I</b><b>mean, imagine the few</b><b>things there to make it sound</b><b>more creative.</b><b>But the fact that it can go back and</b><b>forth is quite interesting.</b><b>I think underneath the hood, and this is</b><b>my supposition that there</b><b>is a set of instructions</b><b>like it, you know, you've got these two</b><b>personas and yeah,</b><b>there's voice stuff attached to</b><b>them.</b><b>But each of them has like a</b><b>basically set of instructions.</b><b>And then in terms of how the conversation</b><b>runs, it's making it more conversational,</b><b>making inquisitive, making it more</b><b>realistic and sound like a podcast.</b><b>And the reason I'm trying to figure that</b><b>out, the biggest</b><b>takeaway from this for me</b><b>is that this shows you how it's not just</b><b>like the basic, hey, turn</b><b>this into a podcast transcript,</b><b>but they've shown you how you can make it</b><b>so much more realistic.</b><b>So starting with podcasts first, I've</b><b>been playing around with</b><b>how do you get a set of</b><b>agents to break down the same kind of</b><b>thing into the result,</b><b>final result being like a</b><b>podcast similar to that.</b><b>I'm not quite there yet, but I've been</b><b>playing around, I put</b><b>a post out on it today.</b><b>But the key thing for me is not just for</b><b>podcasts, but imagine how</b><b>much more realistic you can</b><b>get with research reports, analysis,</b><b>writing various things.</b><b>People complain right now that the thing</b><b>doesn't quite sound like</b><b>them and that they have to</b><b>do a lot of fine tuning.</b><b>But Google's shown here that with</b><b>podcasts, you can get</b><b>something that's quite realistic.</b><b>I said the magic word Google.</b><b>You said the magic word and it opened up.</b><b>Google is, you know, it works.</b><b>They've shown that this</b><b>is like quite interesting.</b><b>I think it's going to open up the doors</b><b>for how people create</b><b>much more realistic other</b><b>things.</b><b>And I get the other thing is you can take</b><b>that, the stuff out of</b><b>this and plug it into</b><b>other tools to make</b><b>that magic even better.</b><b>So I thought it was in within Google and</b><b>I haven't been approved</b><b>otherwise yet, but all</b><b>the examples that I've seen so far,</b><b>people have been</b><b>layering this in with some video</b><b>and literally having these people who</b><b>look quite casual, realistic.</b><b>You can kind of tell around that it's a</b><b>little bit at AI ish, but</b><b>you know, for short snappy</b><b>content such as stuff on TikTok and</b><b>Instagram, you can create</b><b>some pretty realistic audio</b><b>and video podcast clips and</b><b>send that out in the world.</b><b>What tool were they using?</b><b>Hey, Jen.</b><b>Hey, Jen.</b><b>It's something where you can throw these</b><b>like sound clips or you</b><b>can put in text and it</b><b>would generate and you can choose from</b><b>different avatars and it</b><b>will generate that kind of</b><b>stuff.</b><b>So it's like an image and</b><b>turn your own kind of image.</b><b>I think maybe off video, like a short</b><b>video of you, it can</b><b>turn that into, you know, an</b><b>avatar can do different</b><b>languages and stuff as well.</b><b>I know people that want to do that kind</b><b>of stuff, but I'm even</b><b>thinking for this, like</b><b>I do a newsletter, a very popular</b><b>newsletter, I wish, on a couple of</b><b>thousand subscribers</b><b>on LinkedIn for my</b><b>founder's journey newsletter, right?</b><b>Which is like, just what</b><b>have I been up to this week?</b><b>And I invariably talk about AI a lot</b><b>because that's most my</b><b>week, but a little bit about</b><b>blockchain and other tech.</b><b>I just do the write up in my opinions and</b><b>rants, but I'm thinking now with this and</b><b>I've tested on a few old ones and I've</b><b>put it on older versions.</b><b>You just can't do it on LinkedIn.</b><b>I can do it on sub stack where you can</b><b>embed like a video,</b><b>an audio player there.</b><b>I'm going to get these guys talking about</b><b>what I've just written</b><b>and just, I'll listen</b><b>to it as well.</b><b>Like I'll even engage with my own like</b><b>newsletter, you know, you</b><b>write and you put it out.</b><b>Really incredible content.</b><b>This idiot.</b><b>Can you believe this idiot Mark really</b><b>thought that that's</b><b>how I work, for example.</b><b>But it's fascinating what it can do</b><b>because it gives you that</b><b>different perspective that</b><b>you might not have thought about.</b><b>So something given this pattern, right?</b><b>I wanted to show you something here.</b><b>So something I did was using psych.</b><b>So you know, quick little plug.</b><b>But I've gone back and forth with a set</b><b>of agents to try to</b><b>figure out if I give it a</b><b>description about psych, getting it to</b><b>summarize the points and then getting</b><b>more conversational.</b><b>So I said to this agent, make sure it</b><b>includes back and forth</b><b>exchange with a host riff off</b><b>each other and formal language</b><b>expressions of curiosity, etc, etc.</b><b>And what it got to is</b><b>like quite fascinating.</b><b>So first draft, you've got the hosts</b><b>there kind of talking to</b><b>each other, really basic</b><b>conversational.</b><b>Then it gets more detail, like one going,</b><b>I'm really pumped for today's episode.</b><b>Have you heard about psych?</b><b>Oh yeah, absolutely.</b><b>Let's break it down for our listeners.</b><b>So it's a language that you don't</b><b>normally get just basic</b><b>and then putting it into a</b><b>transcript.</b><b>And then what I've done is actually taken</b><b>that through 11 labs.</b><b>So that's another tool, folks.</b><b>11 labs is something where you can just</b><b>type in text and you can</b><b>have something mimic your</b><b>own voice or a set of like voice actors.</b><b>And doing that, I just put</b><b>this thing out on LinkedIn today.</b><b>So let's go to my LinkedIn.</b><b>You're seeing behind</b><b>the scenes here, folks.</b><b>This is like crazy stuff right here.</b><b>Here we go.</b><b>Not that one.</b><b>Maybe it's this one here.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>So I did this thing here and I'll play</b><b>the video and with the</b><b>magic of technology, we</b><b>should be able to hear it.</b><b>So unmute is what we do.</b><b>We just had to show you</b><b>because so here's the results.</b><b>So we'll take a look at that.</b><b>There we go.</b><b>After a little bit of manipulation at</b><b>using 11 labs,</b><b>downloading a few videos, inserting</b><b>a few or nodules, think of them as super</b><b>organized digital filing cabinets.</b><b>You can store, search and access</b><b>documents all in one place.</b><b>Gotcha.</b><b>Plus, they have this cool feature called</b><b>micro signatures for</b><b>verifying data securely.</b><b>nodules love the name and micro</b><b>signatures sound like</b><b>something James Bond would use.</b><b>But what if I need to brainstorm or jot</b><b>down ideas on the fly?</b><b>That's where their</b><b>dreams feature comes in.</b><b>It's dynamic and interact.</b><b>So I mean, the voices chosen are a bit</b><b>robotic and stuff, but</b><b>you can imagine if you had</b><b>better voices, you can actually get</b><b>dialogue that is</b><b>getting similar to Google's.</b><b>But the point is not, I'm</b><b>not trying to create a podcast.</b><b>I just wanted to break it</b><b>down and see how they got it.</b><b>People use, currently compare</b><b>it and they call it podcasting.</b><b>But for me, I think one of the biggest</b><b>avenues that this is going</b><b>to open up or provide support</b><b>for for businesses is walkthrough guides.</b><b>Oh, yeah.</b><b>And informative pieces of content where</b><b>things that usually would</b><b>cost a little bit too much</b><b>money for them to create.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Missing videos on their websites around</b><b>how their product works</b><b>or even just explaining</b><b>what their product is.</b><b>Now they can just put these transcripts</b><b>or documents into into</b><b>the notebook and boom</b><b>out.</b><b>You've got a video now that supports it.</b><b>And then someone or someone needs to do</b><b>is just do the whole</b><b>scrolling and clicking around</b><b>while doing a screen recording and</b><b>overlay that audio to it.</b><b>It's perfect.</b><b>I think that's a great way to do it and</b><b>stuff like I took in that case there.</b><b>That was just not bland, but like a very</b><b>formal basic</b><b>description of what psych does.</b><b>And it's turned the</b><b>words into something else.</b><b>Like now I could do that</b><b>with notebook LM as well.</b><b>And you could see some interesting</b><b>results coming from that.</b><b>But that's you know, that's that's</b><b>definitely a really key point.</b><b>Like if you've got something that you're</b><b>looking at, you could</b><b>actually expand on and see more</b><b>of the idea from something like this and</b><b>being able to figure out</b><b>as we're working on what</b><b>are the underlying instructions that can</b><b>get you to something similar.</b><b>Well, now you do that on other content</b><b>where you can tweak what</b><b>those instructions are.</b><b>I think it's just</b><b>going to open up the doors.</b><b>So I think what they've done here is</b><b>really it's not it is new</b><b>in terms of what they've</b><b>done because there have been other</b><b>podcasts generating apps</b><b>before, but this is much more</b><b>dynamic than any of those other ones.</b><b>I'm assuming it's underpowered like like</b><b>Gemini and other tools.</b><b>I can't say them using like open AI, for</b><b>example, but you never know.</b><b>But yeah, really interesting stuff there.</b><b>I think a lot of people have only just</b><b>started experimenting</b><b>with it and we're starting to</b><b>see more shared.</b><b>Now, obviously, there could be an overrun</b><b>and we're just going to only hear content</b><b>like that.</b><b>I've already seen</b><b>people complain on LinkedIn.</b><b>This is the you know, they're not going</b><b>to listen to something</b><b>blah, blah, blah that</b><b>someone else has done because of the</b><b>second or third time</b><b>they've heard this kind of thing.</b><b>But I'm sure that there'll be voices,</b><b>there'll be new stuff like</b><b>I don't get the complaining</b><b>about tech because it's the worst that</b><b>will ever be, which</b><b>means it only gets better.</b><b>So relax.</b><b>I have seen a couple of reports come out</b><b>around people job more job</b><b>losses because of AI people</b><b>like like shortening the requirements on</b><b>their organization due to AI integration.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But what people aren't seeing is the</b><b>they're not talking</b><b>about the upside enough.</b><b>And this has actually opened up doorways</b><b>for new opportunities,</b><b>new jobs, being it people</b><b>are able to do things that they couldn't</b><b>previously do before</b><b>because of skill limitations.</b><b>There is there is a balance</b><b>to both sides of this equation.</b><b>It's an interesting argument, right?</b><b>Like where it's and the AI is not the</b><b>strongest yet, you know,</b><b>it is getting there in many</b><b>ways it's really great and</b><b>it's it's highly accessible.</b><b>But there's certainly things that just a</b><b>human would do better.</b><b>And I'm sure there's going</b><b>to be an inflection point.</b><b>But there are certain things that you</b><b>just get blocked by</b><b>because you don't have access.</b><b>It's not democratized having a</b><b>democratized level of</b><b>access but done in a safe way.</b><b>For example, like in health care, which</b><b>was discussed in</b><b>another event that I was at,</b><b>like how do you</b><b>actually democratize access?</b><b>Well, you do it, but you want to make</b><b>sure that it's done in a safe way.</b><b>Another one, it's not unsafe to have, for</b><b>example, startups</b><b>access to marketing tools</b><b>that they wouldn't normally be able to</b><b>access because they can't</b><b>afford to have people that</b><b>come in, review them and stuff.</b><b>Now, yes, it's going to affect</b><b>consultants, but you've got</b><b>to just up your game or in</b><b>this transition period.</b><b>There is nothing that you can do.</b><b>There is something that you can do, and</b><b>that is either something or nothing.</b><b>If you do nothing, you'll</b><b>get left behind guaranteed.</b><b>If you do something, you'll at least be</b><b>able to position</b><b>yourself either taking advantage</b><b>of the tool or finding the flaws in it to</b><b>showcase why your</b><b>artisanal way is better.</b><b>I love it.</b><b>And this actually talks</b><b>to, I'm really disappointed.</b><b>I forget his name, a really good</b><b>inspirational talker.</b><b>And his comment was, it's very easy.</b><b>It's very easy to be cynical, to be upset</b><b>and complain about something.</b><b>It's very hard to be someone who's the</b><b>go-getter or speaks</b><b>positively and gets it done no matter</b><b>how bad it is.</b><b>And because AIs come in, everyone wants</b><b>to complain because</b><b>that's the easiest thing</b><b>to do rather than going, how can we make,</b><b>how can we do something better?</b><b>How can we adapt to this?</b><b>How can we bring it</b><b>into what we're doing?</b><b>Even then you love that.</b><b>I love that sentiment.</b><b>You can use AI to actually help you.</b><b>If you don't know how to think about it,</b><b>you can put in your</b><b>problem into an AI that you</b><b>get the AI to solve your issues.</b><b>Get the AI to help you</b><b>understand what you could do.</b><b>This is the irony of it.</b><b>It's not like one of those eras where if</b><b>shit happened, you're stuck, nothing.</b><b>And I'm sure there are</b><b>definitely those things.</b><b>People that have lost their</b><b>jobs will rail against this.</b><b>And I don't...</b><b>That's fair.</b><b>That's fair.</b><b>I think that it absolutely is unfair what</b><b>happened to them and</b><b>it's fair that they have</b><b>that opinion.</b><b>You can actually use these things to help</b><b>put you in a better</b><b>place than you were before.</b><b>Now, when more of this gets widespread,</b><b>you're going to see</b><b>that, you know, Rising Tide</b><b>lifts all boats.</b><b>It's not enough just to have, "Hey, I</b><b>know how to use chat TV."</b><b>No, that'll be basic.</b><b>That'll be like, "Hey, I</b><b>know how to Google search.</b><b>I know how to use a calculator."</b><b>It's arguably, some people don't know how</b><b>to use a calculator well enough.</b><b>But in any case, I think it's really</b><b>interesting what we've got here.</b><b>Agreed.</b><b>I completely agree.</b><b>And very exciting.</b><b>It opens a lot of doors for those who</b><b>could improve as they</b><b>afford certain tools to do</b><b>things.</b><b>This is, again, one of those amazing</b><b>problem solvers for startups.</b><b>I think it is.</b><b>Content creators alike.</b><b>It's great.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>I just wanted to highlight, as I</b><b>mentioned there, there is the Build Club.</b><b>You guys haven't seen them.</b><b>Anilie Aou and the crew.</b><b>And there was a guy named Arun Prasad who</b><b>helped me run the Roundtable.</b><b>They've got a lot of</b><b>cool things that they do.</b><b>So if you're in different cities around</b><b>the world, my friend,</b><b>around the world, you can</b><b>actually do stuff with Build Club.</b><b>So really cool things.</b><b>So keep an eye out on them.</b><b>There's an event next week that they're</b><b>doing with Nvidia, which is really good.</b><b>So we've done something with Nvidia as</b><b>well when I was helping</b><b>to run Data Science in</b><b>AI Australia.</b><b>The guys there, Michael, Ray and James,</b><b>they're going to be</b><b>doing more events as well.</b><b>But Build Club is</b><b>really doing cool things too.</b><b>So I think you wanted</b><b>to talk about OpenAI.</b><b>I was going to say, leading into all</b><b>these big announcements,</b><b>yeah, OpenAI coming out</b><b>with their update.</b><b>And we kind of, you mentioned this a</b><b>little bit last week.</b><b>Because it came out on Friday.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So we had actually talked about this, but</b><b>now I think it was</b><b>still getting sprinkled</b><b>around.</b><b>People hadn't really latched onto it yet.</b><b>I think it was even in still, was it beta</b><b>at that particular point?</b><b>Kind of.</b><b>Now everyone has it.</b><b>I can't remember exactly.</b><b>But what is it?</b><b>This is so O1, OpenAI O1.</b><b>Ooh.</b><b>Adding more figures to the end of it,</b><b>which is weird because</b><b>they were at four and now</b><b>we've gone back.</b><b>So where's five?</b><b>You know why they've done it that way?</b><b>O1?</b><b>No, tell me.</b><b>Paradigm shift, they think.</b><b>So this is resetting, resetting because</b><b>this is a new way of doing it.</b><b>And they're kind of right.</b><b>But please.</b><b>We talked about this before where it's,</b><b>it is a paradigm shift</b><b>because of, you know,</b><b>we'll get into why.</b><b>But at the same time, it's not completely</b><b>reinventing the world.</b><b>I think it's just putting emphasis on</b><b>something that a lot of AIs</b><b>were getting, not necessarily</b><b>getting wrong, but just not completing to</b><b>the best of extent,</b><b>where there was this big</b><b>rush to have things move and respond as</b><b>quickly as possible.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>They're now taking a step back and go,</b><b>what if we get it to just</b><b>consider what it's doing</b><b>a little bit more?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>And I think some of the examples that we</b><b>were giving before when</b><b>prior to this using four</b><b>and three point five and whatever was we</b><b>would tell it to do this.</b><b>We would say, OK, can you question this?</b><b>Like add some personas and have a</b><b>conversation with yourself</b><b>around what you think the best</b><b>answer is.</b><b>And now with O1, it's sort of fed that in</b><b>prior to any of those</b><b>prompts that you may</b><b>be giving it, which I</b><b>think is really cool.</b><b>So it's looking, it's learning, it's</b><b>questioning itself before it</b><b>even goes through the prompts</b><b>of like giving you the results.</b><b>It shows reasoning and stuff there.</b><b>And what I also found interesting, which</b><b>is something that Open</b><b>High Addison hasn't done</b><b>previously, is that it's</b><b>also showing you that reasoning.</b><b>So you're able to then click on, I don't</b><b>know if you pull up the</b><b>example here, you're able</b><b>to then click on the actual process of</b><b>while it's doing it.</b><b>So not even after it's done, while it's</b><b>doing it, and it's</b><b>showing you in real time what</b><b>that reasoning and processes and steps</b><b>that it's going through.</b><b>But before it then gives you the result.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>So for example, because I didn't think we</b><b>were going to bring it</b><b>up, let me just bring</b><b>up a new thing for O1 reasoning.</b><b>And let's just get this one on</b><b>the screen and minimize that.</b><b>And how do I drag this across?</b><b>Through the magic of the internet, you</b><b>get to bring it across.</b><b>So here's O1 preview.</b><b>So I've selected it</b><b>from the drop down there.</b><b>And let's talk to you about hey, this is</b><b>just a clever, this is</b><b>only available to people</b><b>who are on the plus subscription and a</b><b>team subscription as well.</b><b>And I know that there are APIs, except</b><b>sure that are available</b><b>for businesses to start</b><b>integrating.</b><b>But you know, I question whether it is</b><b>relevance for businesses</b><b>at this point, breaking it</b><b>down studying blockchain, I've said,</b><b>break, breakdown blockchain.</b><b>So it's thought for nine</b><b>seconds, and you can actually click.</b><b>Now normally that click thing is asking</b><b>for a definition rather</b><b>than giving it a Oh, yeah,</b><b>this was a quick one.</b><b>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</b><b>Sometimes they'll take up to a minute.</b><b>Oh, yeah, exactly.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>Depending on what you're trying to do.</b><b>But the point is, is that it breaks it</b><b>down into these kind</b><b>of, it's given like a few</b><b>steps that it's looking</b><b>at, you can minimize that.</b><b>But I was just going to say that click</b><b>that you sometimes see</b><b>on these chat, GBT tools</b><b>where it shows you the thinking and</b><b>usually that thinking was</b><b>more around how is it written</b><b>its Python code?</b><b>How is it written, you know, you know,</b><b>how is it looked at a</b><b>certain file and opened</b><b>it to do some analysis, but now it's more</b><b>around the reasoning.</b><b>And then you see a more detailed answer</b><b>here, then you would</b><b>normally get when you run tools</b><b>like this.</b><b>So I think that is that is</b><b>certainly interesting there.</b><b>So so that that's, you know, one thing</b><b>that you like you said,</b><b>you can actually get it</b><b>to do like complex problem solving, for</b><b>example, or like give it a</b><b>document and then, you know,</b><b>break it down.</b><b>That's that sort of thing.</b><b>And the thing I love about this is that</b><b>it is putting a bit more challenge.</b><b>And I think there were</b><b>some stats around it.</b><b>We don't need to show up, but the around</b><b>its accuracies of the</b><b>results that are now coming</b><b>out of it, like it's put a big challenge</b><b>on the likes of</b><b>Claude, who I think were way</b><b>a hub above most other LMs when it came</b><b>to Python code creation, game creation.</b><b>And now I would say open, I open, I has</b><b>probably closed that gap</b><b>significantly to a point where</b><b>because it's able to provide that</b><b>reasoning and challenge</b><b>itself, the outcome you get</b><b>from a code perspective is a little bit</b><b>more accurate on first try.</b><b>Yeah, what is actually generating now?</b><b>Yeah, it's definitely</b><b>had more reasoning there.</b><b>I haven't tried it</b><b>for the code stuff yet.</b><b>But I definitely use because, you know,</b><b>we're doing a lot of</b><b>coding and analysis and stuff</b><b>and it works.</b><b>So we use it to just go give me a Python</b><b>function to be able to do this.</b><b>Here's the fields because I can't throw</b><b>in like private data sets in there.</b><b>Like no, you privacy folks.</b><b>But like here are the fields</b><b>I want to be able to do this.</b><b>What's kind of like Python</b><b>code I could use to do that.</b><b>And it gives it to me.</b><b>I try it out.</b><b>And usually you go a bit</b><b>back and forth with it.</b><b>But I imagine that this one's going to be</b><b>better in terms of quality.</b><b>But you do need to note,</b><b>though, that we saw a one preview.</b><b>Oh, one mini is the one that's been</b><b>fine-tuned for code.</b><b>I want preview has not.</b><b>So there's even a difference there.</b><b>You think many is</b><b>just like a worse model.</b><b>It's not.</b><b>But I wanted to highlight this.</b><b>So this is from the group.</b><b>So our prize is like a prize for how do</b><b>you actually get these</b><b>models to achieve like</b><b>more AGI type status.</b><b>But when they've</b><b>reviewed this is their blog.</b><b>They've reviewed how</b><b>things work under the hood.</b><b>And they said it</b><b>represents a paradigm shift.</b><b>But it's more about going from memorizing</b><b>answers to memorizing reasoning.</b><b>So it's still that</b><b>memorization kind of level.</b><b>And it's still probability based.</b><b>This is still something that you need to</b><b>take with a grain of</b><b>salt in certain cases.</b><b>Just because it can reason, for example,</b><b>with itself that, yes,</b><b>there are three R's in the</b><b>word strawberry does not mean that you</b><b>can rely on it alone.</b><b>The only ones that you can really rely on</b><b>are when you're</b><b>getting the AI to write code</b><b>and it's literally where it's doing</b><b>things like, well, you</b><b>can verify the code and run</b><b>it and see if it works, but you still</b><b>need to look over it.</b><b>But that's more likely to get you proper</b><b>outcomes because there's</b><b>a world of deterministic,</b><b>which is like one times one is always</b><b>equal to one unless</b><b>you're Terrence Howard.</b><b>But one plus one is always equal to two.</b><b>But probability probabilistic is what</b><b>we're getting with these</b><b>models where it's a roll</b><b>of the dice as to whether or not you're</b><b>going to get the right answer.</b><b>Now you can steer it to making it more</b><b>deterministic and reliable,</b><b>but it's still a probability</b><b>model even with this reasoning.</b><b>So just to be aware of that, that's why</b><b>they're talking about it.</b><b>It's memorizing answers is one thing.</b><b>Now it's memorizing reasoning, which is a</b><b>step next, which is</b><b>great, but you still have</b><b>to check it.</b><b>A hundred percent.</b><b>And I think that's the case for any AI</b><b>tool of this current</b><b>state, like we're still in</b><b>the, especially if you're doing, I mean,</b><b>this application has</b><b>been related a lot now to</b><b>the health industry, healthcare industry,</b><b>to coding, to all these illegal, even all</b><b>these things that do have, they require</b><b>good accuracy, but there</b><b>is always a massive caveat</b><b>to them that you need to</b><b>check what's coming out of it.</b><b>I think that's actually a</b><b>blessing in the skies, right?</b><b>Like that needing to check people on the</b><b>complaints about it or</b><b>either, well, AI must be bad because</b><b>I have to check what's the point.</b><b>Well, the point there is that now it</b><b>takes you five minutes</b><b>to do something that used</b><b>to take you 50.</b><b>That's the point.</b><b>Don't forget that.</b><b>On the other side, people are like, well,</b><b>if I have to always</b><b>check the work, then kind</b><b>of like, what's the</b><b>point of even using AI?</b><b>Maybe that's not the other side.</b><b>Maybe it's the same argument.</b><b>But my point is, is that there are these</b><b>negatives that people see</b><b>about this kind of stuff,</b><b>but you've got to find those, it's not</b><b>even a silver lining.</b><b>It's a massive, big, positive thing that</b><b>these tools could</b><b>actually do far more automated</b><b>work.</b><b>ASIC, which we spoke about a few weeks</b><b>ago and stuff when</b><b>they're doing the, not few</b><b>weeks ago, last week, ASIC did a test</b><b>where the complaints</b><b>were, oh, it doesn't sound</b><b>human or it's only</b><b>like 60%, 50% accurate.</b><b>It's like, yeah, well, A, it was getting</b><b>better and B was so much</b><b>faster than the humans.</b><b>Find a way to work with it.</b><b>It got you 50% of the way.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Find a way to work with</b><b>this kind of tool rather than.</b><b>Work faster and smarter.</b><b>I just wanted to bring</b><b>up, just please go ahead.</b><b>I was going to just touch on, touching</b><b>back to the API and the</b><b>difference between the</b><b>O1 Mini, I just brought that up this</b><b>quickly because there are</b><b>some distinct differences</b><b>around I guess the capability of both.</b><b>Definitely the general output performance</b><b>of the OpenAI preview mode is better than</b><b>the Mini version.</b><b>So it does have, there's</b><b>that limitation on that.</b><b>But as you did say, the O1 Mini is more</b><b>targeted towards that</b><b>code-based generation and also</b><b>has the API aspect of things as well.</b><b>So for our businesses in that sense, the</b><b>OpenAI Mini is also more affordable than</b><b>running the standard API mode.</b><b>But that is also because of those two</b><b>distinct limitations.</b><b>So it's running less processing in the</b><b>back, which is why it's more affordable.</b><b>That said, the output of preview mode has</b><b>32,000 when it comes</b><b>to its output limits,</b><b>whereas Mini model has</b><b>an output limit of 64,000.</b><b>Oh, interesting.</b><b>It has a bit of a higher output limit,</b><b>but both have 128,000</b><b>on their context window</b><b>as well.</b><b>It's only half the Bible.</b><b>Yeah, exactly right.</b><b>So from a, the OpenAI O1 API though,</b><b>doesn't have function calling</b><b>functionality yet that</b><b>is coming, support for system</b><b>messages and other features.</b><b>But again, that's all coming very soon.</b><b>They are still in preview mode.</b><b>They're not in all out</b><b>access for everyone mode yet.</b><b>Perfect.</b><b>So yeah, just some key differences there,</b><b>just so people</b><b>understand what the differences</b><b>are.</b><b>Yeah, no, definitely need to take a look</b><b>at that and stuff</b><b>because like whether you're</b><b>using in chat, GPT or through the API,</b><b>you're going to get</b><b>different kinds of results if</b><b>you're using the wrong model, right?</b><b>So I think it's worth</b><b>having a look at that.</b><b>I just wanted to go back quickly into</b><b>psych if I just like</b><b>maximize this a little bit.</b><b>But if we go to, I don't</b><b>know why that doesn't go away.</b><b>So something to learn with our browser,</b><b>some little things just like delay there.</b><b>But what I want to show you is that in</b><b>psych, so I'm using an</b><b>older version where there's</b><b>a whole lot of threads and stuff there.</b><b>So if we just like minimize this, you can</b><b>with psych have that,</b><b>okay, you know, I had</b><b>a simple kind of prompt before, but we</b><b>had a feature in dreams</b><b>where if you just have</b><b>no notes that you've added their digital</b><b>sticky notes, which is</b><b>the main feature of dreams</b><b>where you can talk to</b><b>the digital sticky notes.</b><b>If you just don't have anything and you</b><b>get you ask the AI to</b><b>just tell you about a simple</b><b>topic.</b><b>It's similarly to open AI.</b><b>We've had this out for a little while</b><b>breaks things down into</b><b>what it thinks it should</b><b>look at.</b><b>In this case, tell me about blockchain.</b><b>It's breaking it down into definition key</b><b>components, how blockchain works.</b><b>And you can see on screen here, folks,</b><b>it's creating the</b><b>building blocks of how it would</b><b>answer those different questions.</b><b>So it's doing something very similar.</b><b>We've engineered it a</b><b>little bit differently.</b><b>Oh, one is definitely great at reasoning.</b><b>This one's more specifically about</b><b>expanding on certain topics.</b><b>It's not geared towards,</b><b>hey, give me reasoning for this.</b><b>So but it just shows you that you can do</b><b>some interesting and similar things.</b><b>And there've been people that have shown</b><b>how oh, one seems to be</b><b>working under the hood.</b><b>And one really great one is from a guy</b><b>named Vincent's off LinkedIn.</b><b>He's part of build club too.</b><b>And we've interviewed him for the Oz DeFi</b><b>kind of podcast where</b><b>he highlights here how</b><b>it's actually doing some of its thinking.</b><b>So if you have a look on the screen here</b><b>when this just explodes out, here we go.</b><b>So this is what's</b><b>happening behind the scenes.</b><b>So if you think of like, if you've got</b><b>input, the AI is doing</b><b>some reasoning and you've</b><b>got some output, and that whole bit of</b><b>chunk of context is</b><b>being put into the next layer</b><b>of input.</b><b>And that becomes its input that it does</b><b>reasoning and output and</b><b>that whole thing then becomes</b><b>the input.</b><b>So it's this reasoning upon reasoning and</b><b>prompts upon prompts</b><b>to get you, you know,</b><b>these sorts of answers.</b><b>This is the hypothesis</b><b>that people have had.</b><b>And it's interesting to see, you know,</b><b>just how the reasoning</b><b>is broken down, right?</b><b>So I mean, he's being called inference in</b><b>some instances around</b><b>so much more, much more</b><b>emphasis on the inference that previously</b><b>LM's just weren't doing.</b><b>Yeah, allows them to get this distinct</b><b>difference when it</b><b>comes to that reasoning.</b><b>Exactly. And then the last thing is that</b><b>what is also happening</b><b>is how the AI models are</b><b>being trained.</b><b>So before you had RLHF, which is humans</b><b>in the loop basically</b><b>checking the work that's</b><b>being done, having humans validate, you</b><b>know, these are the sorts</b><b>of things that are right</b><b>answers.</b><b>That's how chat GBT, well, the first</b><b>version like GBT 3.5, what</b><b>we were seeing was train.</b><b>What they've done now is being able to</b><b>find how to get</b><b>synthetic checkers of that work,</b><b>which is much faster as much speaking</b><b>about like with humans being faster.</b><b>So you can imagine that it's a different</b><b>type of training now</b><b>that you've got humans</b><b>actually helping to sorry, AI helping to</b><b>do some of that checking and training.</b><b>So it's fascinating stuff.</b><b>So that's why they're arguably right in</b><b>saying that's a paradigm shift.</b><b>You did say humans, but weirdly, I knew</b><b>you were talking about.</b><b>Yeah, it's weird, right?</b><b>So it's it's not too far off course.</b><b>It is still memorization as our folks say</b><b>it's memorization of reasoning.</b><b>But now, you know, there are some other</b><b>things underneath the</b><b>hood that are just making it</b><b>able to do more of these features and</b><b>capabilities that you've seen.</b><b>So fascinating stuff.</b><b>But we get into some</b><b>some quick news of this.</b><b>Which one? It's just around some things</b><b>that are happening in the market.</b><b>We don't really</b><b>expand on overly too much.</b><b>iOS 16 or sorry, iPhone 16 is here.</b><b>Do I have that?</b><b>No, I know links for that.</b><b>But OK, interesting enough, I didn't want</b><b>to talk about too</b><b>much, but I just wanted to</b><b>start some of my disappointments with</b><b>that and how they've fallen a bit behind.</b><b>Like the device itself, incredible.</b><b>Probably the best camera features,</b><b>functionality capability</b><b>out there now for phones.</b><b>Like well ahead of the</b><b>market in video and quality.</b><b>But AI, like again, they're</b><b>all talk and not available yet.</b><b>Really? So they've released</b><b>their devices out in the market.</b><b>They should be</b><b>coming, I think this month.</b><b>But a lot of the features aren't coming</b><b>for another month that follows.</b><b>And even that's mainly on the photo, some</b><b>of the photo features.</b><b>And then the broader rest of the features</b><b>that many phones</b><b>already have in the market</b><b>aren't coming until</b><b>early next year, like March.</b><b>So they're a bit behind on the AI game,</b><b>which is interesting.</b><b>So I'm wondering how it's going to impact</b><b>the sales as we move into the.</b><b>I think it will</b><b>definitely have an impact, right?</b><b>Like I would think so,</b><b>given that is the hot topic.</b><b>That's what you saw at</b><b>the latest big event.</b><b>They were all AI, talk, talk, talk.</b><b>But then every time they're just like,</b><b>yeah, but it's not out yet.</b><b>Not today.</b><b>Not today. Not today.</b><b>But here's the device, but not today.</b><b>Not today.</b><b>So have they said anything about like,</b><b>have they addressed, you</b><b>know, this kind of stuff?</b><b>They haven't addressed why.</b><b>I think the prediction is</b><b>that they're just, I don't know.</b><b>The one good thing is that Apple is all</b><b>about quality when it</b><b>comes to the software.</b><b>And they're not going to rush.</b><b>They're obviously not happy with where</b><b>things are at yet to release it, which I</b><b>think is a great thing.</b><b>But again, you know, when you're a multi</b><b>trillion dollar company and you're not</b><b>able to get it right in line</b><b>with all of your competitors,</b><b>that's going to have some some hits.</b><b>Yeah. So we'll see what</b><b>happens in that space.</b><b>Something that I've been thought was very</b><b>cool that I saw this week</b><b>is have you heard of Roblox?</b><b>I have heard of Roblox.</b><b>I do have a link for this one.</b><b>So Roblox is there.</b><b>They're there to build your</b><b>world kind of like the Minecraft.</b><b>It's a little focused a little more on a</b><b>broader age demographic.</b><b>A lot of education tools are built on it</b><b>to around, you know,</b><b>world creation, game creation.</b><b>And what they've just announced, it's not</b><b>out yet, but what they have announced</b><b>really excitingly is now an AI</b><b>integration tool for 3D</b><b>environment generating.</b><b>Oh, OK.</b><b>So essentially there might be an example</b><b>of video on the feed here at all.</b><b>Let's have a look. There's a backpack.</b><b>There's a backpack.</b><b>Essentially what you can do, you could be</b><b>typing in, I want to</b><b>create X, Y, this time.</b><b>Oh, yeah.</b><b>Boom, it generates the environment.</b><b>And you're like, oh, I want to get a</b><b>desert look and feel and boom.</b><b>Suddenly you got your desert look and</b><b>feel and you can dive in and experience</b><b>that environment</b><b>within the Roblox platform.</b><b>The art browser just crashed.</b><b>Oh, there we go.</b><b>Why?</b><b>I love your background anyway.</b><b>So on screen.</b><b>Great, great work, folks.</b><b>Great work, Ark.</b><b>But so Roblox has I mean, Roblox is one</b><b>of the largest game platforms on the</b><b>planet, like 300 million</b><b>active users each month.</b><b>And so this integration of</b><b>AI is sure to make waves.</b><b>I know that a lot of other gaming tools</b><b>are trying to catch up in this space.</b><b>This is really going to set them apart,</b><b>particularly with a lot of the already</b><b>things that you can do</b><b>within the Roblox environments,</b><b>so the worlds that you</b><b>can create, the kids.</b><b>I mean, they love it.</b><b>You know, they've got the greatest</b><b>imagination ever because they've not been</b><b>hit by the nine to five of school and</b><b>work and stuff and union.</b><b>But, you know, imaginations, I'm sure,</b><b>will run wild with something like this.</b><b>You see it, you start to see it with like</b><b>other tools, but it's</b><b>great to see it in games.</b><b>We spoke about Doom and all this like on</b><b>the Doom side of things, the game</b><b>generating the images in real time,</b><b>you know, some choppiness and some, you</b><b>know, mismatching of objects and stuff,</b><b>but effectively it was working.</b><b>And then the other side</b><b>was like, what was it like?</b><b>Minecraft. That's the one I kind of get</b><b>mixed up between Minecraft and Roblox.</b><b>Yeah, they compete in the same space as</b><b>AI agents, you know, working to build</b><b>their own societies.</b><b>That was my favorite thing.</b><b>Now, it's a reflection</b><b>of human society, really.</b><b>It did a pretty good job on us.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But yeah, it's it's a</b><b>reflection of us folks.</b><b>So, you know, maybe, yeah, who knows?</b><b>Maybe we're AI and the</b><b>creator, if there is one out there.</b><b>Well, this is</b><b>definitely all a generated world.</b><b>We're just generated worlds within worlds</b><b>within worlds within worlds.</b><b>I said, if there's a creator, I don't</b><b>know what people believe in stuff.</b><b>I'll have my own beliefs.</b><b>But yeah, I think</b><b>it's really interesting.</b><b>You know, the the the maybe religious</b><b>moments that people might have when it</b><b>comes to something like this.</b><b>So we'll see.</b><b>Creates it. So what</b><b>are you thinking next?</b><b>That's really good. And I mean, I'm</b><b>excited when that comes out of</b><b>play that with my little one.</b><b>That's going to be a lot of fun.</b><b>And so I think Amazon, I mean, on the</b><b>topic of podcasts before</b><b>Amazon is released now,</b><b>their own AI voice clone.</b><b>So people who and this is limited, I</b><b>think, to certain</b><b>locations in the world right now.</b><b>But essentially, rather than having to do</b><b>your own voice overs, you can now put an</b><b>AI tool on top of your book readings,</b><b>teach your own voice and</b><b>then it narrates it for you.</b><b>Right. I thought it was</b><b>actually John Lisco here.</b><b>It's just an ad for something else.</b><b>This is gone days now where you'll need</b><b>to sit and in a booth for, you know, 20</b><b>hours having to read your own book.</b><b>If you're an author, you can</b><b>now have an AI do it for you.</b><b>That is absolutely nuts.</b><b>So, yeah, they've got</b><b>the Google one here.</b><b>Amazon. Yeah, I think it's going to be</b><b>really interesting, like what we saw with</b><b>Google just create</b><b>before and what we can.</b><b>It opens up our minds to just the</b><b>possibilities getting these things to be</b><b>much more realistic.</b><b>Yeah, I think it's going to be great to</b><b>see what you could do with this for books</b><b>now, the whole kind of like voice over</b><b>kind of industry and stuff.</b><b>Obviously, they will be</b><b>affected by this kind of stuff.</b><b>So, yeah, it's going to be</b><b>really interesting to see.</b><b>You see some some tools like put in rules</b><b>like you can't do stuff that's made to</b><b>mimic celebrities, for example.</b><b>But there's a this instance they are</b><b>mimicking celebrities, but they're</b><b>mimicking themselves for a purpose.</b><b>If the author is a celebrity.</b><b>If so, 11 Labs, for example,</b><b>you can't mimic like a voice.</b><b>You just grab off the Internet of a</b><b>celebrity and stuff.</b><b>It actually asks you to</b><b>verify that you're that person.</b><b>And even if you do too many of different</b><b>voices of people in your team, it starts</b><b>asking you to verify that that person.</b><b>Yeah, that it'll get you to do a test.</b><b>How would you verify it?</b><b>So it gets you to do a test where I'm</b><b>going to it's going to</b><b>show you stuff on screen.</b><b>And in real time, you have to have the</b><b>mic on and you have to say the stuff</b><b>that's on screen and it will read.</b><b>It will record that and see if it matches</b><b>the voice that you're</b><b>trying to upload and stuff.</b><b>So it's a pretty interesting two factor</b><b>authentication thing.</b><b>But where there's not two factor</b><b>authentication, there is a Chinese app.</b><b>I think it's called</b><b>Minimax or something like that.</b><b>Yeah. But the website that it takes you</b><b>to after you go to Minimax, a website, it</b><b>takes you to another website where you</b><b>can do something like this.</b><b>So remember the Will</b><b>Smith eating spaghetti?</b><b>Yeah. I mean, that is something that has</b><b>been like a major kind of thing.</b><b>I mean, it's been a test for folks to do</b><b>to see if if a video</b><b>generating app is realistic or not.</b><b>Have a look at this.</b><b>So this is just for me typing it in and</b><b>it's just stop playing there.</b><b>We'll play it again.</b><b>This is Will Smith eating spaghetti in a</b><b>much more realistic way.</b><b>The choppiness is just the choppiness</b><b>from my my laptop, which</b><b>I don't need to update.</b><b>And you can see Minimax</b><b>there in the bottom right.</b><b>But you can see that it</b><b>looks pretty damn realistic.</b><b>You can see in the noodles</b><b>and like the fork is sort of.</b><b>He's got two forks.</b><b>But he's got two forks as well.</b><b>Yeah. Will Smith.</b><b>So on camp.</b><b>But it's crazy.</b><b>Like some tools have no.</b><b>I mean, look at look at the reflection</b><b>that it's even generated</b><b>off of his face on the glass.</b><b>Like what the hell?</b><b>That's generated imagery.</b><b>Some tools have, you know, stronger rules</b><b>around what you can and can't do.</b><b>Other tools don't.</b><b>I mean, location base wise, this is.</b><b>I'm not surprised.</b><b>But yeah, anyway, this is where the</b><b>innovation is going to come out.</b><b>That's it, folks.</b><b>What have you got next?</b><b>The topic of sticking with</b><b>our big guns here, Google.</b><b>And we talked about Google a bit before</b><b>with their with their notebook,</b><b>but they've got a couple of other things</b><b>that are coming out or are out.</b><b>So Google is going to be out soon.</b><b>VEO.</b><b>So YouTube Shorts.</b><b>Essentially, this is a tool that will</b><b>allow you to create</b><b>some short field content,</b><b>push it up into YouTube</b><b>Shorts very, very quickly.</b><b>So it's pretty much as they generated</b><b>text to video type content.</b><b>Well, so if you've got your ideas, you</b><b>know what you want to</b><b>create or even have some</b><b>recommended ideas from the tool itself,</b><b>you can create that</b><b>content and push it out.</b><b>We've seen obviously Instagram with their</b><b>tagging of AI generated images.</b><b>And Instagram is actually released an</b><b>update on that recently as well.</b><b>Oh, yeah, that's right.</b><b>To ensure that when it gets it wrong,</b><b>you're able to</b><b>challenge it and yeah, the tags.</b><b>Because as you as expected,</b><b>like it is making mistakes.</b><b>Making mistakes, but also like what</b><b>counts as AI if I'm using Photoshop,</b><b>for example, to enhance an image like all</b><b>of a sudden that's AI.</b><b>Exactly right.</b><b>Exactly right.</b><b>So it's but at the same time, so Google</b><b>is now going to be doing the same thing.</b><b>And they're going to start doing some AI</b><b>flagging on their imagery throughout</b><b>obviously, you know, Google images and</b><b>Google platforms, etc.</b><b>So that's really good.</b><b>I'm happy that this is happening, that</b><b>these tags are happening.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>But at the same time, you know, it's</b><b>going to get it wrong.</b><b>So hopefully there'll be some limitations</b><b>on the short term just like Instagram.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>There's always limitations.</b><b>Speaking of what's the</b><b>next one that you got here?</b><b>The last thing I wanted to talk about</b><b>back to the game world of things.</b><b>This was more I came</b><b>across this as a video thing.</b><b>I haven't had a chance to play around or</b><b>delve into the platform or tool itself.</b><b>But I thought this was this was this was</b><b>really, really awesome.</b><b>Because as a massive gamer, and we talked</b><b>about blocks of floor,</b><b>how I'm excited to play</b><b>that with my little one.</b><b>As a gamer, AI has been a big sort of</b><b>discussion around how</b><b>it's going to change</b><b>how we build things and how we do things.</b><b>And this is the first time that I've seen</b><b>an AI tool that's separate from some sort</b><b>of big gaming company, actually</b><b>generating game type of content.</b><b>So there are two of them here.</b><b>This is one is game gen.</b><b>The other is game N Gen or</b><b>game Gen O and game N Gen.</b><b>Okay.</b><b>And what these essentially doing are text</b><b>to video game creation.</b><b>So they're generating interactive</b><b>environments and running</b><b>characters through them.</b><b>And you can be very descriptive around</b><b>what you want them to</b><b>do in short form builds.</b><b>This allows you to do is start to test</b><b>ideas, test game, game</b><b>creation ideas before you start</b><b>wasting all this time building</b><b>things up from the ground up.</b><b>Using platforms for games is a very</b><b>timely and costly thing.</b><b>And this just like jump jumps you that</b><b>way for the testing phase of things.</b><b>I wouldn't trust it to do the game.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>It's getting you that</b><b>couple of steps forward.</b><b>So it's doing that like very initial kind</b><b>of cuts of like</b><b>validating if an idea is possible.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>You get crowdfunding or</b><b>startup funding and stuff for that.</b><b>But interestingly, I can see a downside</b><b>of this where people</b><b>purport that there will be building a</b><b>game like this, getting</b><b>some sort of Kickstarter.</b><b>Using AI.</b><b>Taking the money and running because even</b><b>with like basic</b><b>stuff, we saw groups where</b><b>maybe they didn't develop in full, but</b><b>they were taking clips of like,</b><b>Unreal Engine has a whole</b><b>library of like basic stuff, right?</b><b>And that we're using clips of that and</b><b>basically making it out</b><b>like that was their game.</b><b>Getting people to believe it when they</b><b>weren't really doing</b><b>that much development.</b><b>Doing bare minimal or if any kind of</b><b>development and taking money from that.</b><b>Now that will be easier.</b><b>But so hopefully what happens is that</b><b>platforms that are enabling</b><b>this kind of stuff flag that</b><b>sort of thing. Because if I saw something</b><b>where it's like, yes, the AI that's</b><b>really done it right,</b><b>or it's being flagged that AI has really</b><b>done it. I'd want to see</b><b>more proof that they're</b><b>actually going to be</b><b>able to build the real game.</b><b>Yeah, that's true. So careful way of</b><b>spending money on this.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So that's such a good point. And I mean,</b><b>the other risk that it does pose,</b><b>and that's why I see the pause here is as</b><b>you can see, as the you as the tools,</b><b>training and creating the content, you</b><b>are able to reference</b><b>other existing games.</b><b>So that does break the question of IP</b><b>and, you know, copying content. So here,</b><b>they have to reference things like GTA 5,</b><b>Assassin's Creed,</b><b>Cyberpunk and The Witcher</b><b>to generate their content. Literally one</b><b>of the examples that was</b><b>given in the video is they,</b><b>I want to create a game that has The</b><b>Witcher character in it and boom,</b><b>then suddenly there's this environment</b><b>generated with the</b><b>character, Gerald or Rivya.</b><b>And you know, begs the question of should</b><b>we be doing that? Like</b><b>should you be able to use IP</b><b>to generate your game content or should</b><b>there be something unique about it?</b><b>I mean, it's interesting because like</b><b>you've got public works of art, you know,</b><b>someone could say, well, you're not</b><b>allowed to paint in that</b><b>style because someone else has</b><b>done it before. Like where do we draw the</b><b>line here? It's like,</b><b>hey, you didn't like really</b><b>abstract. You didn't walk the 800 900</b><b>kilometers it is to Sydney</b><b>from Melbourne or something like</b><b>that. So you, you know, you've just</b><b>pressed the button there. You haven't</b><b>actually done the work.</b><b>Where do we draw the line? Like, I don't</b><b>know, it's no joke because</b><b>people put a lot of effort</b><b>into these video games, but this is the</b><b>thing tech is moving forward.</b><b>Do we just resign to the fact</b><b>then just put laws to stop anything kind</b><b>of happening? Because,</b><b>you know, we'll go to it in,</b><b>in the next section when we talk about</b><b>what's kind of happening</b><b>in regulation space, but</b><b>it's, it's this interesting way does a</b><b>line get drawn and it's</b><b>certainly not something that's</b><b>going to be the same in video games</b><b>versus healthcare versus other</b><b>industries. So, I mean,</b><b>but this brings it up. It puts it like in</b><b>the light. It does put it in</b><b>light, but at the same time,</b><b>I think, I think you're right. There is a</b><b>responsibility for</b><b>businesses and companies</b><b>today. And this is super early stage,</b><b>right? But this is</b><b>nothing that is like publicly</b><b>sold or available. So maybe it's</b><b>referencing is more from a</b><b>training learning, like just</b><b>an example point of view. Yeah. I mean,</b><b>we'll see what happens when stuff like</b><b>this actually starts</b><b>coming to market. But I do hope the</b><b>responsibility gets put into this, just</b><b>like they, we have with</b><b>all the other AI tools that are getting</b><b>questioned on the pump. They make their</b><b>change and adjustments,</b><b>can't generate content with particular</b><b>celebrities or use their</b><b>voices. There's two factors that</b><b>like, I think that stuff will become more</b><b>enforced depending on the</b><b>regions that you're in. But,</b><b>but at the same time, I'm here for like,</b><b>this is awesome. This is</b><b>really cool. It's going to open</b><b>up doors for other people to do things</b><b>and play with games and</b><b>content that they previously</b><b>have known how to do. But also the</b><b>cautionary element of it is, is</b><b>definitely something to be,</b><b>to be conscious of. So on that note,</b><b>there was, it reminds me of something</b><b>that just came up when</b><b>you doom scroll through YouTube. All the</b><b>apps have it now. There's, I mean,</b><b>there's even shorts that</b><b>I'm seeing on LinkedIn. Like LinkedIn of</b><b>all places now has shorts</b><b>that you can scroll through,</b><b>video shorts. Yeah. Crazy, right? Anyway,</b><b>that's interesting. You</b><b>utilize that as you will. But,</b><b>you know, whether it's Instagram or</b><b>YouTube, one of them, it had a</b><b>clip of an old movie that Mel</b><b>Gibson's in. And the premise of this is</b><b>that the character's son is</b><b>kidnapped and the there's,</b><b>you know, it's back in the 90s. So $2</b><b>million or whatever is the,</b><b>the, the prize, the prize,</b><b>50 million dollars. Prize. I said prize.</b><b>I meant ransom for the</b><b>son. And he goes on TV</b><b>and this Mel Gibson is the father and he</b><b>turns it around. And what</b><b>does he do? He says that</b><b>now I'm not that this $2 million isn't</b><b>for you. This is for the</b><b>public to give any information</b><b>to bring you in dead or alive. This is</b><b>turning it around. You will</b><b>receive none of this money.</b><b>If you do not, you know, bring back my</b><b>son. The only way to stop</b><b>this is for you to bring back</b><b>my son alive, unharmed. If you don't, $2</b><b>million for someone to</b><b>murder, whatever thing, turn it</b><b>around. Now, what I'm thinking with this</b><b>is can you imagine a</b><b>situation where you're allowed to</b><b>use these like, you know, the witch of</b><b>Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed and</b><b>stuff in terms of your</b><b>game. But if you're building a game using</b><b>an AI platform like this, it</b><b>has to be shown that you've</b><b>used these things, right? And maybe it</b><b>makes the, and this is up to</b><b>the public. This is up to the</b><b>market value. Maybe it initially makes</b><b>these games just really</b><b>cheap because people can see that</b><b>you've used tools like this. You've</b><b>gotten to market faster and</b><b>yeah, it's a fun game. But</b><b>knowing that you've done that and the</b><b>public isn't like that interested in</b><b>games that are just like</b><b>that until such a point where someone</b><b>like remixes it like DJs do</b><b>with samples in such a way that,</b><b>wow, that's a really popular kind of</b><b>song. I will pay more for that. The</b><b>market will be the one that</b><b>finds the value. But I could see</b><b>something like that maybe happening or</b><b>even on that remixes like</b><b>could be adding more content to the</b><b>existing game. I've expanded a couple of</b><b>extra levels using it.</b><b>Yeah, we're all standing that this whole</b><b>thing came about with a 1996 reference to</b><b>a Milt Gibson movie Ransom, which, which</b><b>I mean, it's only come up</b><b>because it's in my context</b><b>window right now because it was only last</b><b>night that I saw it. But</b><b>you know, we are all building</b><b>things on the shoulders of giants and</b><b>we've got to be careful with how we</b><b>regulate and, you know,</b><b>push things on to the tech and on that.</b><b>You wanted to talk about</b><b>regulations. Yeah, I do.</b><b>I do. So we spoke about how there is the</b><b>regulation that's</b><b>coming out from Department of</b><b>Innovation Research and Science or</b><b>something or something like</b><b>that. But Ed Husic put out that</b><b>there's 10 AI guardrails, you know, being</b><b>things like you have to have</b><b>transparency that has to be</b><b>governance and stuff in what you're doing</b><b>in certain high risk</b><b>scenarios that has to be humans</b><b>in the loop and that has to be proof that</b><b>you are remaining</b><b>compliant as a business. And what</b><b>they've gone out to the public with is</b><b>have a think about these</b><b>guardrails, comment on them.</b><b>We're going to ask you a few questions on</b><b>like what defines high</b><b>risk. So in any case, that's</b><b>out there. But then also, given the</b><b>healthcare stuff, AI and healthcare has</b><b>been a topic. I went</b><b>to an event. I'll show you some photos</b><b>from that. But Department of Health and</b><b>Age Care in Australia</b><b>is also looking at a consultation where</b><b>they're asking a few</b><b>things. So they want to know,</b><b>can you help us clarify and strengthen</b><b>existing legislation or do we</b><b>need to do things differently?</b><b>They're looking at doing a webinar, a</b><b>couple of different webinars where you</b><b>can have a listen to</b><b>people talking about this kind of stuff.</b><b>And then there's</b><b>submissions that you can put in</b><b>by I think October 14. But with both of</b><b>these, one of the things</b><b>that came out of discussions</b><b>that we've had and with the Bill Club</b><b>Roundtable was that an</b><b>interesting thing would be to see</b><b>that there are broad brushstrokes or</b><b>broad rules at the higher government</b><b>level that says that,</b><b>yes, when there is a high risk use case</b><b>in certain industries, or</b><b>maybe in all industries,</b><b>whether it's finance, healthcare, legal,</b><b>or the ones that are</b><b>focused on, but maybe even other</b><b>industries, if it's high risk, you need</b><b>to have more guardrails</b><b>around it, humans in the loop</b><b>checking qualified humans, blah, blah,</b><b>blah. So it can't be just that a GP,</b><b>sorry, someone that's</b><b>not qualified, but works in the health</b><b>industry checks the work,</b><b>no one has to be a GP, for</b><b>example. But if it's broad brushstrokes,</b><b>that if it's a high risk thing that</b><b>humans need to be in</b><b>the loop, and there's other checks and</b><b>balances, it shouldn't be the government</b><b>or the one department</b><b>in government that defines what is high</b><b>risk. The argument that we</b><b>have from Bill Club is that it</b><b>should be the different departments and</b><b>industry bodies in medical,</b><b>in finance, and legal that</b><b>define what is high risk. And then the</b><b>other part is that instead of having</b><b>rules that we just make</b><b>up here in Australia, for example, we</b><b>actually have something</b><b>that aligns with international</b><b>standards like ISO. So there's something</b><b>called ISO 42001, which is</b><b>all about these AI risks.</b><b>So I think there's some really</b><b>interesting and pragmatic stuff that can</b><b>be done, but we certainly</b><b>want to avoid regulating the technology.</b><b>And we just want to focus on</b><b>like, how do you just regulate</b><b>the applications of that technology?</b><b>Because if technology</b><b>was to be regulated,</b><b>maybe you're not allowed to use math, or</b><b>calculus or Python, because</b><b>bad guys also use Python to do,</b><b>you know, hacky kind of stuff into your</b><b>computer. So we've got to be</b><b>careful to not over regulate.</b><b>The EU AI Act is seen as yeah, it's</b><b>regulation over there in</b><b>Europe, and they were first to get</b><b>out there. But in some ways, it's over</b><b>regulating because they're getting into</b><b>like the tech rather</b><b>than the actual applications that are</b><b>built on top. So it's interesting times</b><b>these are open right</b><b>now for people to look into. And we've</b><b>got like further thoughts</b><b>on like, how do you actually</b><b>keep track of what's going on in an AI</b><b>kind of platform in a safe</b><b>way? Well, interestingly,</b><b>blockchain could come in there, you know,</b><b>I'll talk about that in</b><b>my submissions. But yeah,</b><b>regulation is like a very key topic right</b><b>now. Because if we don't</b><b>get this right, we run the</b><b>risk of having regulation that just</b><b>pushes developers out of</b><b>Australia. And I mean, developers</b><b>that are well meaning and well intention</b><b>will get pushed out because one of the</b><b>things could be that</b><b>you could go to jail because if somewhere</b><b>down the line, you built an app that</b><b>helps you write meeting</b><b>notes, but then I don't know terrorists</b><b>have used it for bad stuff, right? Now</b><b>you get thrown in jail</b><b>because of unintended consequences of the</b><b>app. And there's</b><b>definitely lines to be drawn there.</b><b>But yeah, really interesting stuff. So</b><b>you know, discuss folks.</b><b>Wasn't there a kid recently who</b><b>created an application that ended up</b><b>being used for criminal</b><b>organizations? I currently</b><b>as many kids to do that. What are you</b><b>talking about? There was one that</b><b>recently they were the</b><b>kid got arrested. Yeah. I don't know. I</b><b>really want to have this</b><b>out there. He created an</b><b>application. I can't remember it. But he</b><b>created an application that has been used</b><b>rapidly in the criminal underworld</b><b>organizations to like to have</b><b>discussions and plan and prep</b><b>things. And all right. Really created</b><b>originally with good intent,</b><b>but then are you talking about</b><b>telegram? No, no, not telegram. There was</b><b>a different one. I'm</b><b>pretty sure it was a different</b><b>one. But anyway, it got picked up quite a</b><b>lot. And now I think he got</b><b>arrested recently because he</b><b>started to charge and I didn't hear</b><b>people getting arrested,</b><b>but I did hear about apps</b><b>that are more used for like underworld</b><b>communications and</b><b>stuff like that. So and no</b><b>doubt that there's, you know, we can go</b><b>back to like really</b><b>primitive stuff and there'd be ways</b><b>to like signal each other the cops are</b><b>coming or something like</b><b>that. You know, you see it in like</b><b>TV series, like the wire or whatever,</b><b>like there's always going to be</b><b>ingenuitive ways to do that kind</b><b>of stuff. But yeah, someone building</b><b>something specifically for</b><b>that purpose, I think is a lot</b><b>different versus someone that's built</b><b>some tech that just so</b><b>happens to be used by others for</b><b>nefarious kind of reasons. I found the</b><b>thing. It was called</b><b>ghost. It was a ghost messaging.</b><b>All right. And it would delete like</b><b>messages and stuff. It was</b><b>built solely for the criminal</b><b>underworld. And this, I think it was this</b><b>a J. J. I'm going to be</b><b>bad with accents. I'm really</b><b>apology for do it. J J. Youn Jung. Okay.</b><b>Or maybe Jung for Jason. I'm</b><b>not sure. But he faces five</b><b>years, faces five charges, sorry,</b><b>including supporting a criminal</b><b>organizations and benefiting</b><b>from proceeds of crime. Where was this?</b><b>This was, this was in</b><b>Australia. So he made that the app</b><b>when international has been used</b><b>worldwide. So he's got a lot of ingenuity</b><b>folks. Yeah. So he sold</b><b>modified smartphones for $2,350</b><b>Australian dollars and</b><b>$1,600 a piece alongside a six</b><b>month subscription to the network that he</b><b>supported for the use of</b><b>this app. So allowing these</b><b>criminals to be out of hundreds of</b><b>criminals all the way up into Italy and</b><b>Middle East, South Korea.</b><b>Yeah. It went international allowing him</b><b>and he was just like, yeah, he went</b><b>global with this up.</b><b>So we got arrested and put forward to the</b><b>courts. I think this</b><b>happened a few, like a year back or</b><b>six months ago or something. Okay. But</b><b>yeah, so people can start</b><b>with the best of intents and then</b><b>go South very, very quickly when you get</b><b>a little bit greedy. Depends</b><b>on how you use it, folks. It's</b><b>not the size of the AI model. It's</b><b>definitely how you use it. But like,</b><b>that's, that's the thing. It's</b><b>like, it's all about the, the application</b><b>of things. The</b><b>technology is going to be there.</b><b>It's going to expand. It's going to grow.</b><b>Both sides will use it.</b><b>When I say both sides,</b><b>it's the people that are against you and</b><b>the people that are on your</b><b>side. Because that's how we,</b><b>you know, draw lines in the world. It's</b><b>not gray. It's definitely black and</b><b>white, but I'm joking.</b><b>I'm being sarcastic there. There's a lot</b><b>more context. You know,</b><b>that's another thing with it,</b><b>with AI, right? Like you've got that</b><b>ability to give you, and I</b><b>was talking to a group of folks</b><b>through chartered accountants, ANZ, that</b><b>group. We're doing a talk</b><b>with basically ACT government</b><b>with a whole bunch of like accountants</b><b>and whatnot, CFOs, et cetera, about how</b><b>can you use data for</b><b>data storytelling. So it was a great</b><b>presenter there, Ilya, who</b><b>does education kind of stuff.</b><b>And then I spoke about how AI could help.</b><b>And it's really interesting</b><b>that it can also help give you</b><b>perspectives that you might not know. So</b><b>apart from like, Hey, what</b><b>kind of chart should I use? Or</b><b>what do you think of this kind of chart</b><b>if I use it for this</b><b>purpose, or like grade my dashboard</b><b>apart from doing that kind of stuff and</b><b>helping you write code, it</b><b>can also help give you different</b><b>perspectives that you wouldn't normally</b><b>think about if you just</b><b>left things on their own. So</b><b>you might have your, we will have biases.</b><b>Getting this to go, here's</b><b>an article that I've written,</b><b>and then give me other things that I</b><b>should be thinking about other</b><b>perspectives can give you</b><b>a much more rounded kind of feeling and</b><b>sense of what's going on. So</b><b>I think it's really important</b><b>that you see AI as this companion. I see</b><b>it as an exoskeleton at</b><b>times, because it really amplifies</b><b>what I could do. And it's like, Oh, yeah,</b><b>I could probably do that.</b><b>There's some things I probably</b><b>couldn't even do if it wasn't for AI. And</b><b>there's some things where it</b><b>just does it faster. But it</b><b>definitely can act as a companion as</b><b>well, giving me those things</b><b>that I just should know about.</b><b>I mean, the thing that it supports me a</b><b>lot on even like coming</b><b>out of from a UX research</b><b>product strategy point of view is it</b><b>gives me access to insights and</b><b>information I couldn't</b><b>do previously without spending excessive</b><b>amounts of money on</b><b>particular research tools and etc.</b><b>And the insights that I can pull out</b><b>really, really quickly, and</b><b>I use, I'll be it, I use a</b><b>wide array of different elements,</b><b>everything from perplexity, psych, open</b><b>AI, chat, GPT, through to</b><b>dovetails, you know, all of them play a</b><b>role in that. But the cost</b><b>of all of those is far less</b><b>than what it was about to use, you know,</b><b>the old school SEO</b><b>research tools, or going to a</b><b>consultant to do a big engagement piece</b><b>with a bunch of random</b><b>people in a database like it is</b><b>making accessibility for consultants,</b><b>small businesses like</b><b>that much better and able to</b><b>get better results, like, particularly</b><b>consultants, we know, we know how to do</b><b>things, we're smart,</b><b>we know how to check and cross check. And</b><b>we should be doing that at</b><b>all times, as we highlighted</b><b>before. But where it's able to take us</b><b>with the utilization of these</b><b>tools is is just it's a night</b><b>and day. Absolutely. And, you know, I</b><b>think the more and more that</b><b>people see what's going on in</b><b>the space, and that we see major</b><b>innovations and like these wow, aha</b><b>moments and showcases like</b><b>what Google's done with the podcast</b><b>stuff, more people are going to follow,</b><b>not only to innovate,</b><b>but also to even just come into this set</b><b>of waters that we're in, because like</b><b>some people are even</b><b>just standing on the shore, you know,</b><b>still they're not like waiting in it. But</b><b>we're seeing it open</b><b>up more and more like a year ago, it</b><b>would be, you know, I don't</b><b>know what it is, like 10 fold,</b><b>maybe, but there's so many more people</b><b>that are starting to explore in</b><b>businesses. So have hope</b><b>folks that there is still like a lot of</b><b>positivity and stuff going out</b><b>there, we just have to remain</b><b>in this space and keep talking about it</b><b>and keep showcasing. So</b><b>yeah, yeah, that's it for now.</b><b>All right, everyone. Thank you very much</b><b>for watching. It's</b><b>another week on Digital Nexus.</b><b>Like, subscribe, please share with your</b><b>friends, get the word out there,</b><b>help us out. We love doing this. We love</b><b>sharing insights and information.</b>