
Digital Nexus
Dive into the thrilling world of data, digital, and AI with your superhero hosts, Chris and Mark. These dynamic duo consultants have built digital wonders in Australia and beyond. They wield their innovation powers at Digital Village and NotCentralised, respectively, bringing you the news, views, and opinions that are simply out of this world.
Mark Monfort, the tech wizard behind the @AusDefi Association and NotCentralised, isn't just a name—he's a legend. With blockchain fin-tech victories under his belt, he's now on a quest to build the ultimate #LLM, SIKE.ai, enhancing business workflows and securing data like a true digital sorcerer. Nothing can stop him!
Chris Sinclair, the design guru and UX/CX mastermind, knows the secrets of digital innovation and business strategy like the back of his hand. Partnered with Digital Village, a league of specialists leading the charge in product development and innovation, Chris is here to prove that the old ways of working are no match for the future!
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Digital Nexus
11 | Google Notebook LM is better than you at Podcasting!
In Episode 11, we discuss recent AI developments, focusing on OpenAI's Dev Day, real-time API applications, and generative models like Googles' Notebook LM. We explore how AI is transforming industries, particularly in business intelligence and customer engagement, using tools like Juno and Dovetail. We touch on the ethical and governance challenges surrounding AI, touching on privacy and the importance of responsible AI use. We then dive into investments in AI infrastructure by companies like Microsoft and Amazon, as well as the growing integration of AI in real-world applications.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction: Startups, work-life balance and scepticism over innovations.
02:58 – AI development at sike.ai and more on NotebookLM
05:18 – Strategic discussions on automation, OKRs, and community engagement.
06:25 – AI tools like Perplexity, Dovetail, and Juno for customer research.
09:33 – Juno and adaptive LLM-based customer engagement.
10:17 – AI and its future role in business and blockchain spaces.
14:01 – OpenAI’s Dev Day and real-time API capabilities.
16:20 – Voice mode AI and its real-time applications in business.
18:28 – Privacy concerns and the importance of compliance in AI development.
19:08 – The pyramid of AGI and the possibility of AI-led organisations.
20:44 – AI cost structure and the potential for discounts with prompt caching.
24:01 – AI in governance and how it shapes industries + the AI guardrails in Australia
28:35 – AI investment trends: Microsoft, Oracle, and Amazon expanding AI infrastructure.
30:26 – OpenAI’s $6.6 billion raise and company valuation.
33:36 – New AI tools like Vercel for rapid app building and design iterations.
36:00 – AI-generated videos and new visual tools like Pika 1.5.
39:04 – Google Earth’s AI integration for historical map updates.
43:30 – Discussion of AI’s potential crash as predicted by MIT economists.
47:23 – Meta glasses and AI’s ability to identify people, ethical concerns.
49:37 – Fun segment on AI-generated podcasts with surreal interpretations of simple texts.
54:07 – Preview of Psyche’s web search feature and new AI integrations.
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<b>[Music]</b><b>We're back for, this is</b><b>Friday, the 4th of October. I</b><b>mean, it feels like a blur.</b><b>When you're in startup world</b><b>like we are, you know, you</b><b>quit the 9-5</b><b>corporate life to work 24-7.</b><b>So, you know, the</b><b>days are definitely.</b><b>What?</b><b>What the frick is 9-5?</b><b>I wish.</b><b>Yeah, it was something that</b><b>they invented back in the</b><b>caveman era, I believe.</b><b>Right.</b><b>To write it on the walls and</b><b>stuff because it</b><b>would get dark.</b><b>There was no electricity. So</b><b>you probably had to</b><b>stop working at 5.</b><b>It's true. The sun goes down.</b><b>You're like,</b><b>nothing else I can do.</b><b>Fire is only light and</b><b>they're gonna</b><b>light up so much.</b><b>You know, and there were</b><b>probably doomers and skeptics</b><b>about fire as well.</b><b>I kind of want to get back to</b><b>that. I think that</b><b>9-5 would be great.</b><b>Yeah, it'd be great. But</b><b>like, I mean, just going to</b><b>the tech side of things like</b><b>they invented fire.</b><b>Do you reckon that there were</b><b>doomers back then in</b><b>terms of like fire?</b><b>Oh, yeah, they just set them</b><b>for the fun.</b><b>Light people up and...</b><b>Oh, no, or just people just</b><b>thinking that you don't, you</b><b>know, why should we</b><b>have fire and stuff?</b><b>We're already fine as we are.</b><b>Like, the day's great.</b><b>Could you imagine? This is</b><b>like the first person who</b><b>invented fire</b><b>who's just like,</b><b>this fire is gonna take over</b><b>my job. What am I gonna do?</b><b>Well, he wouldn't do it.</b><b>Like, he or she.</b><b>You'd be the other person.</b><b>Yeah, to be like the same.</b><b>They would be</b><b>like the Sam Altman.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Not the Sam Altman invented</b><b>AI. Like, let's</b><b>not get it twisted.</b><b>Although in a thousand years</b><b>time, things could get</b><b>twisted, you know, like the</b><b>history gets muddied.</b><b>Anyway, there's</b><b>only a second left.</b><b>He could just argue that he</b><b>was the inventor given he's</b><b>the only one left.</b><b>He could. He could. He'll</b><b>have, I mean, it'll be closed</b><b>overarching Omega AI.</b><b>Welcome to the Omega.</b><b>Have you seen on, you know,</b><b>the nerding out</b><b>here for a second,</b><b>have you seen on Netflix the</b><b>Terminator anime series?</b><b>Oh, I've started seeing that.</b><b>I haven't gotten into it.</b><b>I like the Terminator movies.</b><b>I'm not a huge</b><b>animation kind of.</b><b>Yeah, I enjoyed it. It was</b><b>fun. Yeah, a lot</b><b>of like, yeah, it's,</b><b>it's, I don't want to give</b><b>anything away if</b><b>anyone is a real Arnold.</b><b>No, no, no, no. This is like</b><b>Japanese anime. Oh,</b><b>right. Yeah. Yeah.</b><b>So it's completely different.</b><b>It's like still</b><b>talks to Skynet,</b><b>but like has it as a separate</b><b>storyline. I kind of, oh,</b><b>nice. It's good fun.</b><b>It was like the matrix kind</b><b>of thing. Like you had the</b><b>matrix and then there was the</b><b>animated version.</b><b>The animatrix was like</b><b>shorts, but this was like a</b><b>proper, like a</b><b>little mini series.</b><b>Worth the watch if you, if</b><b>you, you know, if you're into</b><b>that kind of stuff.</b><b>There you go folks. Free</b><b>advertising there</b><b>for the Terminator.</b><b>That's been my week. Well, I</b><b>mean, speaking of</b><b>terminators, there's AI.</b><b>That's here. Skynet is here.</b><b>How's your week been?</b><b>Haven't had Skynet like come</b><b>up for us, been watching the</b><b>news mainly and been doing a</b><b>lot of development stuff</b><b>that we'll be able to</b><b>announce on psych in future.</b><b>So, you know, keep</b><b>an eye out on that.</b><b>Like it's just constant</b><b>development, but there's so</b><b>many great ideas.</b><b>And I guess I'll touch on it</b><b>like in another episode, but</b><b>what's interesting is that,</b><b>and I know there's many other</b><b>clever people like that.</b><b>We meet through the AI space</b><b>here locally, but</b><b>it's just interesting.</b><b>Much clever than me.</b><b>And us. But it's interesting</b><b>seeing people that we talk to</b><b>and ideas that</b><b>we've had internally,</b><b>like Arturo and I and Mark</b><b>and our other partners and</b><b>colleagues that you start</b><b>seeing bigger</b><b>names talk about.</b><b>So for example, like, you</b><b>know, I was talking to you</b><b>about like the realism that</b><b>like this notebook LM is</b><b>and how it is like this game</b><b>changer, because not just for</b><b>podcasts, but like</b><b>all these other things,</b><b>like imagine</b><b>more realistic work.</b><b>So it's not just a fancy toy</b><b>that you have and how AI is treated right now,</b><b>but it's like an actual</b><b>respected relied upon kind of</b><b>colleague notebook LM with</b><b>its realistic</b><b>podcast showed us that.</b><b>And then you see Andre</b><b>Carpathi talking about that</b><b>leveling up to.</b><b>So I'm seeing really</b><b>interesting things in terms</b><b>of the patterns.</b><b>There's some things that</b><b>people have spoken about,</b><b>like recently, Ethan Mollick</b><b>and articles shared by on</b><b>LinkedIn by Mark Kolo,</b><b>who's another guy in our</b><b>local space highlighting the</b><b>Ethan Mollick was saying that</b><b>here's this thing where I'm</b><b>AI is actually like having</b><b>humans in the loop can</b><b>actually degrade or like it</b><b>lowers the</b><b>quality of the output,</b><b>because sometimes I in</b><b>certain scenarios is</b><b>just so much better.</b><b>Right. And this is something</b><b>that we've said as well is</b><b>like we know that there's a</b><b>need for human in the loop.</b><b>And we'll talk more about</b><b>that in a little bit.</b><b>But sometimes it shouldn't it</b><b>shouldn't be a blanket human</b><b>in the loop because some</b><b>things humans would</b><b>actually be worse at.</b><b>It's why, for example, we</b><b>have autopilot in planes.</b><b>We don't always have the</b><b>humans like doing it or why</b><b>we've got like, you know,</b><b>automated kind of steering</b><b>and stuff in cars like, sure,</b><b>you can drive automatic.</b><b>But if everyone is driving</b><b>automatic and stuff, there's</b><b>much more that's going on.</b><b>There's all these</b><b>distractions like I know</b><b>we're steering, we're not</b><b>driving, but</b><b>automation can help us.</b><b>Sometimes it is good to</b><b>actually have the not so much</b><b>humans in the loop.</b><b>In any case, it's been a week</b><b>of like insights and stuff</b><b>like that and just meeting</b><b>clients and just doing</b><b>further development.</b><b>What about you?</b><b>Well, me, it's been so a</b><b>digital village.</b><b>We've been we go through our</b><b>quarterly OK, our stems and</b><b>we see how we've been</b><b>tracking and then look at how</b><b>we can re-strategize.</b><b>So we've been deep in sort of</b><b>that strategic element of the</b><b>business right now, looking</b><b>at how we can</b><b>better automate.</b><b>So for, you know, right on</b><b>the topic that you're talking</b><b>about a lot of the processes</b><b>and things that we do.</b><b>So whether it's our marketing</b><b>or how we engage with our</b><b>community and customers and</b><b>network alike, how can we use</b><b>the tools that are out of our</b><b>hands to help</b><b>better engage with them?</b><b>And how can we give</b><b>back to them as well?</b><b>Like one of the big things I</b><b>think that we've found out</b><b>that we're missing is that is</b><b>that value add for a lot of</b><b>the people in our community.</b><b>It's like you're</b><b>part of this ecosystem.</b><b>There's good engagement and</b><b>conversations.</b><b>But we just as a business</b><b>don't feel like we're giving</b><b>those people</b><b>enough back in return.</b><b>So we're exploring how can we</b><b>how can we do that?</b><b>How can we have more value to</b><b>the people who are a part of</b><b>our community?</b><b>And then the other part of</b><b>things that I've been looking</b><b>at or what I work on me doing</b><b>on is a lot deep in research</b><b>at the moment for one of my</b><b>key customers and having a</b><b>lot of fun with.</b><b>And I've talked about this a</b><b>lot before, but with dovetail</b><b>and Juno, which are two</b><b>incredible and</b><b>perplexity on top of that.</b><b>We should show like we showed</b><b>the complexity and stuff and</b><b>I will show complexity here</b><b>because one of the examples I</b><b>want to talk about is that we</b><b>haven't actually</b><b>shown Juno or dovetail.</b><b>I would love to. I'll show it</b><b>in next episode.</b><b>I think I will show you some</b><b>things off because</b><b>they want to sponsor.</b><b>I obviously can't demonstrate</b><b>a lot of the data.</b><b>So I need to set some stuff</b><b>up with some some dummy data.</b><b>But that's the</b><b>greatest thing.</b><b>Like I is really good at</b><b>creating dummy data.</b><b>You know, I use so much for</b><b>like the demos</b><b>and stuff that I do.</b><b>Like there's still a bit of</b><b>tinkering or whatever.</b><b>But like if I need to present</b><b>something to a lawyer and</b><b>it's about something like</b><b>whatever the topic</b><b>is, the case, etc.</b><b>You can create all</b><b>this dummy data sets.</b><b>So yeah, you</b><b>can certainly do.</b><b>So what I'll do is I'll grab</b><b>a few of our episodes.</b><b>I'll jump them into drop them</b><b>into dovetail, demonstrate</b><b>some of the stuff you can do.</b><b>Some I like it's just I've</b><b>been able we ran.</b><b>I think we ran like 30 odd</b><b>interviews with across the</b><b>stakeholders of</b><b>the organization.</b><b>And now we're conducting a</b><b>whole bunch of customer</b><b>interviews,</b><b>stakeholder interviews.</b><b>I've put them</b><b>all into dovetail.</b><b>I'm able to tag</b><b>things that I like.</b><b>But even if like a topic</b><b>comes up from my own notes, I</b><b>can go into</b><b>dovetail search for.</b><b>Any conversations that</b><b>occurred around that topic</b><b>and it instantly brings up</b><b>all the snips in the moment</b><b>and then does a nice little</b><b>summary on top of that</b><b>utilizing the AI tool so I</b><b>can pull out the insights and</b><b>make the references to the</b><b>video points so I can share</b><b>that as part of the</b><b>output to the client.</b><b>You know, this is so cool.</b><b>The way that we would do this</b><b>kind of stuff before you</b><b>would have a brainwave and</b><b>you go, oh,</b><b>where's that note?</b><b>And you pull it</b><b>together and stuff.</b><b>It would through 30 videos.</b><b>Yeah. Well, you</b><b>could do it is the point.</b><b>But it would</b><b>take a long time.</b><b>And sometimes it's</b><b>just not worth it.</b><b>Right. You'd have a brainwave</b><b>on the bus about something</b><b>that you had in a certain</b><b>meeting and you want to look</b><b>for all the previous ones</b><b>where you've had</b><b>that kind of thing.</b><b>And maybe it's connected to</b><b>other conversations</b><b>in your organization.</b><b>But it's just like, well,</b><b>who's going to</b><b>actually do that?</b><b>Right. Time is valuable.</b><b>Time is money.</b><b>Well, now, yeah, time is</b><b>still money and stuff, but we</b><b>can do far more for</b><b>far more, far more.</b><b>It's great because like so I</b><b>mean, that's a perfect</b><b>example where I've taken I've</b><b>conducted all this research</b><b>usually would take me</b><b>probably a month to properly</b><b>synthesize cut trim,</b><b>make the documents.</b><b>I've done this in a week now,</b><b>like stuff that I</b><b>would do in a month.</b><b>I'm doing a week. OK.</b><b>And I see which has now</b><b>allowed me to focus more on</b><b>the quality of the</b><b>recommendations.</b><b>It's no longer</b><b>just a high level.</b><b>Here's some points of things</b><b>I can start actively creating</b><b>assets and examples of stuff</b><b>that then feed into that</b><b>broader design process.</b><b>That would be doing with them</b><b>and development process.</b><b>So brilliant.</b><b>Absolutely,</b><b>absolutely incredible.</b><b>So we are really enjoying</b><b>that really</b><b>enjoying that process.</b><b>And Juneau is like this.</b><b>It's you know, it's a study</b><b>where you're able to engage</b><b>with customers through kind</b><b>of like an LLM.</b><b>So it's like you're getting</b><b>interviewed by an LLM.</b><b>So rather than having for me</b><b>to sit there and interview</b><b>150 customers or or send out</b><b>surveys that</b><b>require fixed response.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>Fixed responses. I can train</b><b>it trains this LLM to adapt</b><b>to the questioning based on</b><b>the outcomes that we need.</b><b>And then the tool actually</b><b>asks the questions in a more</b><b>meaningful, succinct</b><b>way and then adapts.</b><b>We do that. Yeah.</b><b>And adapts to the responses</b><b>that the customers are made.</b><b>So the outcomes I'm getting</b><b>there are so much more deep</b><b>than me sending a form or an</b><b>annoying survey</b><b>that takes 20 minutes.</b><b>So you're talking about there</b><b>that a living, breathing way</b><b>of doing traditional kind of</b><b>piece of work.</b><b>Exactly. I am seeing that</b><b>there's going to be more.</b><b>It's not just how they</b><b>appeared notebook.</b><b>I am going back to that. That</b><b>is the perfect</b><b>watershed example.</b><b>It's the one that will open</b><b>up the floodgates of realism.</b><b>But what you talk about there</b><b>is living and breathing kind</b><b>of it's it's on it.</b><b>It's quasi person.</b><b>It's quasi tool. Right.</b><b>Because now, like you said,</b><b>it adapts to the you've got</b><b>the goals and the outcomes</b><b>and the thing adapts to get</b><b>the right</b><b>answers out of people.</b><b>And so you can see that being</b><b>quite useful for so</b><b>many other things.</b><b>You know, we in the</b><b>blockchain space, we'd always</b><b>thought that once you have a</b><b>world that's connected in</b><b>terms of systems that are run</b><b>on blockchain.</b><b>And I won't go into the</b><b>details here and people, you</b><b>know, they'll have their</b><b>opinions about blockchain,</b><b>good, bad, whatever.</b><b>Just know that there are safe</b><b>ways to do it in business</b><b>that actually provide you</b><b>that confidentiality that</b><b>businesses are</b><b>normally used to.</b><b>And there are cheaper ways to</b><b>do blockchain and just just</b><b>more and more.</b><b>But assuming that we go to a</b><b>world where there's much more</b><b>blockchain, that we change</b><b>how we do things like</b><b>reporting and earnings</b><b>estimates and things like</b><b>that in terms of the finance</b><b>world, because they have this</b><b>interconnected</b><b>system that is real time.</b><b>We thought and, you</b><b>know, we want that.</b><b>But in the blockchain world,</b><b>it takes time for these</b><b>things to come out with AI.</b><b>We can actually start doing</b><b>that more real time living</b><b>process on far sooner.</b><b>And I think they will</b><b>definitely merge and stuff,</b><b>but the future is very</b><b>freaking bright.</b><b>Oh, that's so cool, man.</b><b>And then going back to like</b><b>the time it takes to do</b><b>things that you mentioned</b><b>before, like with because</b><b>I've been able to do this</b><b>study utilizing, hey, Juno,</b><b>the, you know, writing,</b><b>conducting those surveys,</b><b>building the surveys, sending</b><b>them out to your segment orders.</b><b>Usually, again, usually would</b><b>take like a month.</b><b>So we've done this</b><b>in a week or two.</b><b>It's just completely changed</b><b>how we can engage our</b><b>customers and get meaningful</b><b>insights out in a more rapid</b><b>sense, which allows us then</b><b>to focus more</b><b>time on the outcomes.</b><b>Yeah, you know, as an analyst</b><b>and stuff, and I've been an</b><b>analyst in various kind of</b><b>different industries, you you</b><b>spend so much less time on</b><b>doing the</b><b>actual analysis work.</b><b>It's the putting</b><b>together of everything.</b><b>It's it's imagine like, I</b><b>mean, it's about it's about</b><b>example, I was thinking of</b><b>food and stuff.</b><b>Imagine like being a baker</b><b>and it takes you like 90 to</b><b>90 times actually getting all</b><b>the ingredients ready and</b><b>doing the baking.</b><b>And actually, it is.</b><b>But a better example would</b><b>be, yeah, just back to the</b><b>analyst kind of work.</b><b>Like you would rather spend a</b><b>lot more of your time</b><b>investigating and digging</b><b>into things rather than</b><b>having to piece things</b><b>together and do a lot of the manual kind of work.</b><b>That's the world of like</b><b>business intelligence kind of</b><b>products and reporting tools</b><b>was and there was always like</b><b>automation, but then we'd</b><b>always figure out, okay,</b><b>well, now that that's</b><b>automated, what are the new</b><b>things that we could do?</b><b>So anyway, I digress because</b><b>there's definitely some cool</b><b>news on so we'll show, yeah,</b><b>like Juno and some of the</b><b>other tools that you're using</b><b>on the next</b><b>episode of episode 12.</b><b>So stay tuned for that.</b><b>But some quick shout out.</b><b>It's like a shout out to</b><b>Stone and Chalk for the</b><b>hosting the place.</b><b>We love them.</b><b>Digital Village and the guys</b><b>like being some intense weeks</b><b>without without</b><b>re-strategizing.</b><b>So shout out to</b><b>everyone on the team.</b><b>Shout out to the guys in</b><b>psych and you've got your CEO</b><b>from overseas coming in.</b><b>Shout out to Mark.</b><b>Mark is coming</b><b>into Australia.</b><b>Pretty excited.</b><b>Aussie Canadian accent.</b><b>It's yes, but it works.</b><b>I really like it.</b><b>But yeah, Arturo and Tim and</b><b>Ivan and the boys.</b><b>So yes, some really good</b><b>folks out there, some other</b><b>people that are part of the</b><b>crew as well and believers,</b><b>whether they are officially</b><b>part of the whole kind of</b><b>psych movement or not, you</b><b>know, shout out to everyone</b><b>that's there</b><b>here and overseas.</b><b>So yes, some really</b><b>interesting stuff.</b><b>And speaking of developers,</b><b>something I wanted</b><b>to show on screen.</b><b>Yeah, let's get</b><b>into the news of stuff.</b><b>OpenAI had their dev day.</b><b>A lot of fun.</b><b>We were just</b><b>speaking about this.</b><b>It felt like last week there</b><b>was a whole lot more big news</b><b>and stuff because you had</b><b>better, you know, retail folk</b><b>like men is</b><b>doing this and stuff.</b><b>And then notebook,</b><b>LM is doing that.</b><b>And just a lot of like huge</b><b>releases,</b><b>announcements and updates.</b><b>And even the week prior, it</b><b>was like it was seemed to be</b><b>that this little big week</b><b>window of just announcements.</b><b>And now this week has gone</b><b>into more of this development</b><b>capital raise mentality this</b><b>this last week.</b><b>Oh, yeah, we'll</b><b>talk about that.</b><b>Yeah, it's interesting,</b><b>though, because I reckon that</b><b>we should have and I'm sure</b><b>there's more scientific ways</b><b>to do this, but we're going</b><b>to do it the fun way.</b><b>But we should have like a</b><b>chart and we've done this for</b><b>twelve, like</b><b>eleven weeks now.</b><b>Well, it's a bit longer</b><b>because we had</b><b>a bit of a gap.</b><b>That's right. But having like</b><b>some sort of chart like I</b><b>would say that</b><b>this week feels quiet.</b><b>Like if it was overall, I</b><b>would say that this week week</b><b>feels quieter than previous</b><b>weeks and stuff.</b><b>And, you know, it</b><b>has as that come down.</b><b>So the line will go</b><b>down a little bit.</b><b>But from a development</b><b>perspective, this week is</b><b>just continue to trend up</b><b>because with open AIs, Deb</b><b>Day, what they showed was and</b><b>this is in terms of what they</b><b>announced</b><b>because it's closed.</b><b>They are right now like it's</b><b>not properly open.</b><b>They're now turning into much</b><b>more of a for profit company.</b><b>So they don't talk about</b><b>everything that's there.</b><b>You still get banned if you</b><b>try to period.</b><b>How many updates are what</b><b>kind of sneaky updates have</b><b>come through your systems in</b><b>the last twenty four hours?</b><b>The biggest thing that for me</b><b>anyway is the</b><b>whole real time APIs.</b><b>And so what that means is</b><b>that you'll be able to have</b><b>the voice mode that you saw</b><b>and that you can</b><b>see in the app.</b><b>And we have on the show last</b><b>week when we asked it to do</b><b>the children's story, you</b><b>know, that was highlighted in</b><b>the shorts and stuff.</b><b>But having that as available</b><b>as part of the API and they</b><b>should what they showed was a</b><b>really interesting example</b><b>where it's actually getting</b><b>orders from the user to call</b><b>a store, which was a separate phone from the store.</b><b>A separate phone from the</b><b>user, but to call a store to</b><b>order a</b><b>thousand strawberries.</b><b>And when the user pretend the</b><b>human, I say human user.</b><b>I love that they're using</b><b>strawberries now as like a</b><b>common thread of</b><b>it's their jokes.</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>And so the I got the</b><b>instructions to order a</b><b>thousand strawberries.</b><b>OK, cool. Got it.</b><b>Next thing you know,</b><b>it calls the store.</b><b>User picks up.</b><b>Yeah, I'd like to order a</b><b>thousand strawberries.</b><b>I'm really oh, this is well,</b><b>this is the price.</b><b>Are you sure?</b><b>It's like, yeah.</b><b>OK.</b><b>And that I asked</b><b>when can you deliver it?</b><b>And it's like, well, you're</b><b>very close by.</b><b>So maybe 37 seconds.</b><b>And I go as well.</b><b>That's incredibly fast.</b><b>It's just like, I said that,</b><b>you know, I know it's</b><b>programming, it's code and</b><b>going back to it, 70,000</b><b>steps back into it.</b><b>It's like this first</b><b>phenomena of is this teaching</b><b>us about how we think and</b><b>about our brains and, you</b><b>know, this thing</b><b>sounding realistic.</b><b>And I know we keep moving the</b><b>dial in terms of what is AGI.</b><b>But when you see stuff like</b><b>this, you're like, wow.</b><b>And I remember like way back</b><b>in this, this model will</b><b>definitely obliterate</b><b>whatever Google had two or</b><b>three years ago.</b><b>I was going to say, because</b><b>that model that called</b><b>someone to book, I'd like a</b><b>woman's hair appointment.</b><b>Yeah, I'll wait.</b><b>You know, it would</b><b>do stuff like that.</b><b>And it's like, yeah, but that</b><b>it was probably limited in</b><b>terms of what it</b><b>could do back then.</b><b>I remember there were</b><b>articles about</b><b>the limitations.</b><b>Now, this is and now people</b><b>know what open is because</b><b>it's nearly been two</b><b>years of it out there.</b><b>With chat GBT</b><b>3.5 just far more.</b><b>So really interesting.</b><b>That was a big thing because</b><b>now devs can actually do</b><b>stuff with that too.</b><b>And I know people are using</b><b>other models for their real</b><b>time kind of voice.</b><b>I've heard some really</b><b>interesting kind of products</b><b>out there from people here</b><b>and overseas, but especially</b><b>with their</b><b>advanced voice models now.</b><b>And like you're able to have</b><b>conversations as if you were</b><b>having a conversation.</b><b>Whereas like, you know, even</b><b>the previous chat model was</b><b>still pretty all the</b><b>conversation model was still pretty advanced.</b><b>Still pretty awesome about it</b><b>utilize, but it had its sort</b><b>of</b><b>conversational limitations.</b><b>Whereas you can interact with</b><b>these things in real time</b><b>with real time responses.</b><b>You know, you can stop it.</b><b>You can cut off</b><b>it apologizes.</b><b>It's like, yeah,</b><b>you can change it.</b><b>It's crazy.</b><b>Although it probably use the</b><b>error on my part.</b><b>I was playing it in my car</b><b>and I think it didn't.</b><b>It's either it's the app</b><b>maybe, you know, because it's</b><b>still early and stuff or it</b><b>was just in my car.</b><b>It wasn't</b><b>picking up my voice.</b><b>I was telling it, okay, stop.</b><b>Okay, stop.</b><b>Okay, stop.</b><b>Stop.</b><b>Stop.</b><b>Stop.</b><b>What are you doing?</b><b>I had to actually, you know,</b><b>wait till traffic stop and</b><b>like click on it and stuff.</b><b>But that was a big thing.</b><b>Interestingly, what's noted</b><b>in this TechCrunch article is</b><b>that they didn't talk</b><b>anything about disclosures.</b><b>And what I mean by that is</b><b>that with them not doing it</b><b>and with it being required,</b><b>like, so, for example, if</b><b>it's making a call, it</b><b>doesn't say that, oh, by the</b><b>way, this is open AI.</b><b>You didn't say</b><b>that in the demo.</b><b>Now, that's a demo versus</b><b>like what we'll get, but</b><b>highly likely, at least</b><b>according to tech reporters,</b><b>that it's going to be left up</b><b>to the developers to put</b><b>those disclosures</b><b>and whatnot on there.</b><b>And that's fine.</b><b>You see others do that.</b><b>But just important that if</b><b>you are going to use this in</b><b>a live kind of setting, that</b><b>you do make sure that you're</b><b>adhering to whether it's GDPR</b><b>or the AI Act if you're over</b><b>there in Europe or whatever</b><b>it comes out here in</b><b>Australia around Privacy Act</b><b>and what they're going to do</b><b>with AI regulations.</b><b>But that was</b><b>pretty interesting.</b><b>He spoke about the pyramid</b><b>stuff as well.</b><b>We're at level two AGI or</b><b>level two of like the pyramid</b><b>of AGI with level five, like</b><b>level one was just</b><b>like basic stuff.</b><b>Level two is</b><b>human level reasoning.</b><b>Level three is like where</b><b>it's smarter than humans can</b><b>do these other things.</b><b>And I can't remember what</b><b>four is, but five is where</b><b>you have organizations, AI</b><b>organizations, like you don't</b><b>go to a real company, for</b><b>example, if you go to an</b><b>organization that</b><b>is an AI entity.</b><b>But it's called Skynet for</b><b>argument sake.</b><b>I've been speaking to</b><b>Terminator before.</b><b>But yeah, that's that's what</b><b>they spoke about.</b><b>There are a few other things</b><b>that are out there.</b><b>And they also have said that</b><b>they are going to do</b><b>something really interesting</b><b>in terms of cost, because</b><b>there is a cost</b><b>to doing this.</b><b>People don't realize they're</b><b>like, oh, I don't think it</b><b>costs like 20 bucks a month</b><b>or 30 dollars, Ozzy.</b><b>No, that's what they're</b><b>charging you because they're</b><b>eating all the costs underneath it.</b><b>And sure, because it's their</b><b>model, they can charge</b><b>whatever they want.</b><b>But if you're a developer,</b><b>there is an actual cost to</b><b>this kind of stuff.</b><b>Right. So, you know, like</b><b>five dollars per million</b><b>tokens for text and like 20</b><b>bucks for</b><b>whatever it is for voice.</b><b>It can rack up if you're</b><b>using it or overusing it and</b><b>not monitoring.</b><b>So what's important for</b><b>developers is that you're</b><b>able to do things like</b><b>caching, prompt caching.</b><b>If people are using common</b><b>prompts all the time in an</b><b>organization, you don't have</b><b>to rerun some of those,</b><b>especially for like, like</b><b>think of</b><b>frequently asked questions.</b><b>But for our eye and Tropic</b><b>has always been</b><b>discounting these things.</b><b>OpenAI has said that they</b><b>will do prompt caching and</b><b>you get discounts</b><b>of up to 50 percent.</b><b>But I think anthropic is</b><b>still cheaper, although</b><b>arguably openAI is still the</b><b>number one in terms of like a</b><b>popular model</b><b>that people use.</b><b>So many more things from Dev</b><b>Day that will unpack and you</b><b>can watch some great videos</b><b>from our favorite AI</b><b>YouTubers on that topic.</b><b>So that was one</b><b>very, very cool.</b><b>What's what I would have mine</b><b>just going through a few more</b><b>of these and just</b><b>feel free to jump in.</b><b>I've seen other AI podcasts</b><b>and stuff where they do this</b><b>thing where it's like it</b><b>seems from an</b><b>AI kind of thing.</b><b>They'll pick out a news</b><b>article and one person talks</b><b>about it until the other</b><b>person gets bored.</b><b>And then they will say that</b><b>you are. But I'm like, we</b><b>could try that. We could do</b><b>like a fast route.</b><b>It's like, okay, cut.</b><b>I think we found 11 episodes</b><b>and I think we found a good</b><b>balance. I think we have. I</b><b>think we have.</b><b>I wanted to</b><b>highlight this one.</b><b>This one I mentioned before</b><b>at the start where you have</b><b>people like Andre Carpathi</b><b>and he said it's</b><b>possible to know.</b><b>But again, podcasts, episode</b><b>generation is touching on a</b><b>whole new territory of highly</b><b>compelling LLM product</b><b>formats feels</b><b>reminiscent of chat.</b><b>GPT. Maybe I'm overreacting</b><b>and obviously</b><b>I've commented there.</b><b>But I think he's right.</b><b>Like notebook.</b><b>Notebook.</b><b>L.M. is this new way of doing</b><b>that is much more realistic.</b><b>What you spoke about. And I'm</b><b>sure there are going to be</b><b>more of these others doing it</b><b>more of this interactive real</b><b>time kind of living breathing</b><b>AI workflow process, not just</b><b>conversational, but like for</b><b>other kind of functions.</b><b>So really interesting to see</b><b>that he talked about that.</b><b>And just while we're in this</b><b>side of like thought</b><b>provoking stuff, I thought</b><b>there's this interesting</b><b>phenomena that</b><b>people are seeing.</b><b>And it's called the Moravec</b><b>paradox. Moravec paradox is</b><b>where Marvin Minsky and Hans</b><b>Moravec were the ones that</b><b>came out with this.</b><b>This is</b><b>perplexity, by the way.</b><b>So you can just</b><b>search for these things.</b><b>You can see the sources.</b><b>This is really</b><b>great runs rag.</b><b>What's interesting is that</b><b>Moravec paradox is how I or</b><b>these really cool like</b><b>whether it's Gen AI or other</b><b>robotics and stuff can be</b><b>very complex things on the</b><b>one hand, but find it very</b><b>hard to do other things like</b><b>they show the example of a</b><b>robot arm that's</b><b>been trained on.</b><b>I think it was like it's</b><b>probably LLM trained and</b><b>stuff where it</b><b>cannot read a little rope.</b><b>It can be really complex</b><b>stuff that has been</b><b>programmed to do, but where</b><b>it has to actually</b><b>learn for itself.</b><b>It just it takes a while for</b><b>it to be able to actually do</b><b>something that we</b><b>humans find simple.</b><b>So the question or the</b><b>paradox is that as we as</b><b>adults find simple like if</b><b>you talk about the growth of</b><b>a human like they didn't they</b><b>weren't able to do those</b><b>simple tasks and</b><b>an AI in its senses.</b><b>I know infant right.</b><b>But imagine like you have</b><b>this infant that is super</b><b>smart and knows so much about</b><b>the world, but you still have</b><b>to teach it like it knows</b><b>it's like book smart.</b><b>It's not street</b><b>smart kind of thing.</b><b>Yeah, not even street smart,</b><b>but you have to you're going</b><b>to kick Lana out on the</b><b>streets and go figure it out</b><b>yourself like a teenager like</b><b>a teenager basically that</b><b>more of X's about that.</b><b>And it opens up questions</b><b>like what are things that I</b><b>can do that humans</b><b>can't and vice versa.</b><b>What are things that humans</b><b>can do or at least</b><b>right now that I can't.</b><b>So I think we're in this</b><b>world of like kind of</b><b>meandering kind of pathways</b><b>where we are going to figure</b><b>out like where we fit and how</b><b>it transforms different</b><b>industries not all</b><b>at the same time.</b><b>But yeah, really interesting</b><b>stuff that's there.</b><b>And then another thing at the</b><b>start of this week, you're</b><b>asking about the week I</b><b>contributed to this article</b><b>by Sarah core.</b><b>So she had us Sarah over</b><b>there in Melbourne.</b><b>She was a CSIRO.</b><b>This is a personal blog and</b><b>she was at a conference to</b><b>see the conference CDA and</b><b>thinking about how does I</b><b>play a role or just take play</b><b>a role in governance.</b><b>How does it transform how we</b><b>would normally govern and we</b><b>were talking about it for</b><b>governing AI, but like even</b><b>then is this AI AI guardrails that are out there.</b><b>Even then there is this</b><b>interesting kind of like how</b><b>do you use emerging tech</b><b>tools like blockchain and AI</b><b>to help you govern any kind</b><b>of industry and stuff.</b><b>If you're needing to record</b><b>things and have it be tamper</b><b>proof and only have certain</b><b>people access</b><b>that information.</b><b>Blockchain and zero knowledge</b><b>proofs are there for that.</b><b>If it's for how do you</b><b>actually have an active</b><b>monitoring kind of thing in</b><b>terms of how you can actually</b><b>create the AI kind of</b><b>governance documentation that</b><b>you need or like to be able</b><b>to keep up or maybe even do</b><b>the interviews with staff.</b><b>Maybe there's like a regular</b><b>interview that normally you</b><b>would have to hire</b><b>outside people to do.</b><b>But now it's just so much</b><b>cheaper and you can show how</b><b>you're adhering to whatever</b><b>the rules are for compliance</b><b>in that industry.</b><b>But it's this digital shape</b><b>shifter as Sarah highlights</b><b>here and you</b><b>can see on screen.</b><b>So definitely worth a</b><b>read of her article.</b><b>So she sets the scene in</b><b>terms of the capabilities,</b><b>how they're expanding, how AI</b><b>systems can</b><b>become more complex.</b><b>She talks about the novel</b><b>behaviors that they showcase,</b><b>the limitations of traditional governance.</b><b>And all of this is to set up</b><b>for what I deliver in part</b><b>two, which is loaded on</b><b>screen here, where I actually</b><b>show the enablement and</b><b>examples that I give in our</b><b>response to the AI guardrails</b><b>that are coming out.</b><b>But examples of how AI and</b><b>blockchain as this shape</b><b>shifter and here's the</b><b>practical kind of approaches.</b><b>So explainability of the AI</b><b>models, for example, that you</b><b>can do that or the ability to</b><b>have a step by step execution</b><b>breakdown of what's going on</b><b>inside the models.</b><b>If you do it in the right way</b><b>and rag</b><b>definitely helps for that.</b><b>The role of blockchain as</b><b>part of this and being able</b><b>to keep compliance records</b><b>because the government is</b><b>asking for this.</b><b>And I've done our submission</b><b>that you can see</b><b>on screen here.</b><b>This is going out later today</b><b>because the government is</b><b>asking for this today.</b><b>But one of our things, our</b><b>principles in here is that</b><b>you will have this way of</b><b>doing recording of compliant</b><b>features of your model that,</b><b>for example, if a GP or a</b><b>financial advisor is using</b><b>it, that they actually are</b><b>hitting the stamp that they,</b><b>yes, have approved it.</b><b>It's like a digital</b><b>attestation before the advice</b><b>goes out to someone and being</b><b>able to prove that you've</b><b>done it in the correct order,</b><b>I think is going to be very</b><b>important stuff.</b><b>There's definitely an element</b><b>of trust, but we can use</b><b>tools like this to help us</b><b>just do audits way better.</b><b>So all of this was like a</b><b>governance kind of mode in a</b><b>good bit of this week.</b><b>Speaking of these guardrails,</b><b>the Build Club is actually</b><b>doing something as well.</b><b>So I've been gathering</b><b>feedback from all those guys</b><b>getting it into psych to help</b><b>me write the response because</b><b>when you've got multiple</b><b>responses, like we've done</b><b>with blockchain with the Oz</b><b>Depot Association,</b><b>synthesizing that is not easy.</b><b>But like you said, with your</b><b>interviews that you're using,</b><b>you know, tools to help with</b><b>the interviews, this is like</b><b>interviews because it was</b><b>transcripts from discussions.</b><b>It was things</b><b>that people sent in.</b><b>It was notes that</b><b>people had sent.</b><b>So there's a whole lot of</b><b>these things that come</b><b>together so that you can go,</b><b>well, here's our collective</b><b>thinking on this.</b><b>How would the group answer</b><b>this question?</b><b>How would it</b><b>answer this question?</b><b>What would be its</b><b>overall response?</b><b>So it would just be sad if</b><b>you didn't use AI and</b><b>obviously we are</b><b>checking the results.</b><b>I've put it out there so</b><b>people can give</b><b>feedback and stuff.</b><b>But it would be irony if you</b><b>use if you don't use AI to</b><b>actually</b><b>contribute to an AI thing.</b><b>So with all that said, it's</b><b>got a fend for itself.</b><b>It has to. It has to.</b><b>But you've got to do it like</b><b>in the right way and check</b><b>the work at least for now and stuff.</b><b>That's a good bit for me.</b><b>Do you want to jump to</b><b>something that you've got and</b><b>we can come back to some</b><b>other topics that are.</b><b>Why we're talking about</b><b>what's going on in the</b><b>broader market sense, like</b><b>investments going crazy right</b><b>now as we were</b><b>hitting out before.</b><b>It's maybe like people trying</b><b>to get ahead in terms of all</b><b>the new laws and legislations</b><b>that are coming in.</b><b>This is just businesses</b><b>having the</b><b>opportunity to expand.</b><b>Maybe they've come to a point</b><b>where they've just got</b><b>they've hit that benchmark in</b><b>terms of what they've</b><b>achieved and put to market.</b><b>Now they need to evolve and</b><b>and take it one step further</b><b>so that everyone has been</b><b>reaching out or investing</b><b>into infrastructure, into the</b><b>technologies to</b><b>develop more AI tools.</b><b>Is it this article?</b><b>We got the Wall</b><b>Street Journal.</b><b>We got Microsoft investing</b><b>almost four point billion</b><b>dollars into, I believe, into</b><b>infrastructure within Italy</b><b>to expand on their AI</b><b>capabilities, which is</b><b>absolutely astronomical, but</b><b>doesn't stop there.</b><b>We got Oracle, which is not</b><b>really a huge player in the</b><b>space, but they've invested</b><b>up to six and a half billion</b><b>dollars to also increase</b><b>their infrastructure.</b><b>Just a little bit, please.</b><b>Yeah, so they're putting</b><b>their investments into</b><b>Malaysia to follow</b><b>the developments.</b><b>Fantastic.</b><b>Amazon, though,</b><b>taking the cake.</b><b>Oh, we like cake.</b><b>13 billion dollars over the</b><b>next 10 years and</b><b>infrastructure in the UK to</b><b>build out on their cloud and</b><b>AI infrastructure as well.</b><b>And obviously they have a</b><b>huge stake in Claude and a</b><b>couple of their own AI models</b><b>helping out, you know,</b><b>reading cloud based services,</b><b>all that type of stuff.</b><b>It is just big, big</b><b>investments going all over</b><b>the place this last couple of</b><b>months from big</b><b>companies, of course.</b><b>Fantastic.</b><b>So we mentioned this last</b><b>week with OpenAI also putting</b><b>themselves out for a raise.</b><b>They've just closed six point</b><b>six billion dollars.</b><b>How much?</b><b>Six point six</b><b>billion dollars.</b><b>This is all USD,</b><b>by the way, guys.</b><b>Six point six billion</b><b>dollars, which is also then</b><b>re-established</b><b>what their worth is.</b><b>Their estimated net worth,</b><b>which is now, well, sorry,</b><b>not market worth, which is</b><b>now 157 billion USD.</b><b>Yeah, we don't talk in</b><b>millions anymore these days.</b><b>It's all with a</b><b>big capital B.</b><b>So inflation.</b><b>Just, yeah, oh, man, it's</b><b>bloody inflation.</b><b>Taking up that</b><b>billion percentile.</b><b>So some huge amounts of money</b><b>that's been thrown</b><b>all over the place.</b><b>And obviously we've got a lot</b><b>of other startups and</b><b>enterprise businesses that</b><b>are either investing or</b><b>building</b><b>themselves up in that space.</b><b>Millions of dollars are</b><b>getting thrown</b><b>around all over there.</b><b>Let's take a look</b><b>at things like that.</b><b>I've got access to Crunchbase</b><b>and I'm just so</b><b>busy and stuff.</b><b>And it's like such a shame</b><b>because I love data.</b><b>I used to do a lot of stuff</b><b>in the ETF world and I'd</b><b>always wanted to, but I just</b><b>don't have the time</b><b>because I'm building.</b><b>I'm doing these things for</b><b>clients and I'm building our</b><b>site at the same time.</b><b>But also doing the podcast.</b><b>Come on, man.</b><b>I don't think</b><b>you're doing enough.</b><b>You know, helping build club</b><b>with their government</b><b>response, their joint</b><b>response from the community.</b><b>And people are credited in</b><b>terms of the names</b><b>that contributed.</b><b>They're the ones</b><b>that have agreed.</b><b>But after this week, now it's</b><b>like governance is done</b><b>because like I have this</b><b>issue this afternoon.</b><b>I just want to get back into</b><b>like some of the tinkering in</b><b>the non-work stuff.</b><b>The stuff that is just</b><b>personally kind</b><b>of interesting.</b><b>It's such a crazy world that</b><b>people can use.</b><b>And maybe we'll do this as a</b><b>short like episode.</b><b>We don't have to go through</b><b>it and actually take a good</b><b>chunk of time.</b><b>But just like five minutes on</b><b>showing people.</b><b>Here's the tools</b><b>that you can use.</b><b>You don't know what the front</b><b>end is supposed to look like.</b><b>Go to Vercel, you know, OX,</b><b>ODev or whatever it is, VODev</b><b>with Vercel where you can</b><b>just describe something</b><b>or take a screenshot and go,</b><b>I want to build</b><b>something like this.</b><b>And it will do it.</b><b>You take that code and you go</b><b>to Claude or you go to GPT</b><b>and you go, how do I build a</b><b>React app that's like this?</b><b>Or you could even do it</b><b>within Vercel itself and copy</b><b>that code out and</b><b>host it on there.</b><b>And do it in tools like Figma</b><b>and any of the</b><b>things like that.</b><b>So you can actually tinker</b><b>around with the design even</b><b>more than you can with like Vercel.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>So you can go back and forth</b><b>with these things.</b><b>I don't know how it works</b><b>with Figma because I've not</b><b>been a user of Figma.</b><b>But whether you can just take</b><b>if it's just for design or if</b><b>it can actually turn that</b><b>into code that</b><b>you would then run.</b><b>It does indeed.</b><b>Not just for</b><b>websites but also apps.</b><b>So what you could do is you</b><b>could you know, you could</b><b>tinker around with some</b><b>designs, put it into Claude.</b><b>So from one of the other</b><b>tools, play around with the</b><b>design there to tweak it.</b><b>Turn that into code, take</b><b>that code, put it into</b><b>Claude, optimize the code.</b><b>I did a post with some really</b><b>interesting things.</b><b>I'll turn this down.</b><b>Oh, I was gonna</b><b>say play this out.</b><b>I mean, just some</b><b>of these videos,</b><b>this looks straight out of</b><b>either a Pixar movie</b><b>or even just like real</b><b>cinematographers.</b><b>This is all text</b><b>to video generation</b><b>with obviously</b><b>editing customization</b><b>that you can do in real time.</b><b>It's absolutely phenomenal.</b><b>So that's pretty exciting</b><b>what they've released.</b><b>You can either</b><b>jump on YouTube.</b><b>There's a lot of people</b><b>who've played</b><b>around with this already.</b><b>The Melt, I</b><b>haven't done the Melt.</b><b>I haven't done the, I have</b><b>done the Squish.</b><b>I've had my face and</b><b>I've had it squished.</b><b>When you look.</b><b>I've done this.</b><b>You've done this one?</b><b>Squish it.</b><b>I haven't done that yet.</b><b>A lot of people are</b><b>experiencing some</b><b>low time issues.</b><b>Still obviously</b><b>it's new and just,</b><b>it's gone bananas over the</b><b>last couple of days.</b><b>A little too for me</b><b>to use it and stuff.</b><b>Some people aren't</b><b>getting it at all.</b><b>So good.</b><b>Oh good.</b><b>He didn't get</b><b>properly squished.</b><b>I got properly</b><b>squished when it was me.</b><b>That's pretty exciting.</b><b>It would like, so</b><b>definitely jump in there</b><b>and have a play</b><b>around a few others</b><b>that have been released over</b><b>in from out of China as well.</b><b>We'd had to do</b><b>stuff just as a bunch.</b><b>Kling was one.</b><b>And then there was like</b><b>Minimax was the other.</b><b>Minimax was the other one.</b><b>We talked about</b><b>that a few weeks ago.</b><b>We did.</b><b>Minimax was showing, like the</b><b>first time I saw it</b><b>I was talking about how it</b><b>was better than Kling.</b><b>I'm like, I didn't even know</b><b>what Kling is.</b><b>(laughing)</b><b>Hey, it's like, have</b><b>you seen Superman too?</b><b>What's Superman?</b><b>We get a lot of</b><b>those instances</b><b>where something like this</b><b>comes out and</b><b>everyone's like,</b><b>oh, it's so much</b><b>better than this.</b><b>You're like, oh,</b><b>what's this one?</b><b>And he jump in and now</b><b>they've just done an update.</b><b>Oh, I'm so much</b><b>better than Pika 1.5.</b><b>So Kling has been doing</b><b>amazing things</b><b>there themselves</b><b>and stuff and they've come</b><b>out in response</b><b>to show all the cool stuff</b><b>that's going on there.</b><b>So got to try and both out as</b><b>well as like Pika and stuff.</b><b>I wonder if I can show it.</b><b>I'll see if it's</b><b>on this computer.</b><b>So actually, you know what?</b><b>It's not going to because</b><b>we're doing the recording.</b><b>It's only</b><b>recording the browser.</b><b>So I won't be</b><b>able to show up.</b><b>I'll show it next time.</b><b>You can see us</b><b>being squished.</b><b>Speaking of</b><b>like the next time,</b><b>there is this weak gap</b><b>between when people have to,</b><b>you have to listen to us.</b><b>Even if you aren't, you know,</b><b>you're in a</b><b>meeting and stuff,</b><b>just put us on low.</b><b>Just get on low.</b><b>Clean your, just while you're</b><b>cleaning your room,</b><b>while you're</b><b>cleaning the house,</b><b>just shove it on low.</b><b>Just put it on</b><b>there and stuff.</b><b>Please.</b><b>In any case, what I was going</b><b>to say is that we've got,</b><b>we're on TikTok and I</b><b>thought I had loaded</b><b>or preloaded one</b><b>of the ones here.</b><b>Of our TikTok, I will</b><b>do that now probably.</b><b>So we can do an hour I think,</b><b>and we can cut</b><b>this out again.</b><b>Okay, cool.</b><b>Three, two, one.</b><b>I was just punching on these.</b><b>So it doesn't even look like</b><b>it's been an hour.</b><b>Okay, cool.</b><b>So this is at what time?</b><b>Don't worry about it.</b><b>About an hour.</b><b>So I just wanted to show you</b><b>folks like that</b><b>during the week, you can</b><b>actually hear us</b><b>and we're going to be doing a</b><b>lot more on TikTok.</b><b>So here's me talking about O1</b><b>model in the car.</b><b>Here's a snip from our latest</b><b>episode, episode 10.</b><b>Here is more of us again in</b><b>the old format</b><b>where we used to</b><b>face each other.</b><b>Here I was at the</b><b>WeWork, Chris at home</b><b>talking about various things.</b><b>So it's not just like what</b><b>you see on this episode,</b><b>but we see so much</b><b>stuff in the news.</b><b>We're going to be giving you</b><b>a lot more like just access</b><b>to just our intimate kind of</b><b>thoughts and stuff</b><b>just on the fly.</b><b>So definitely please check</b><b>out, it's on YouTube short,</b><b>but also on TikTok as well,</b><b>we've been pushing there.</b><b>And we'll get to a point</b><b>where we'll start putting</b><b>some YouTube inside</b><b>videos on how guys,</b><b>we may even talk about the</b><b>tools that we've been using</b><b>and showing how</b><b>some of the content.</b><b>Yeah, there's a</b><b>lot of interest.</b><b>I think AI has gone through</b><b>this like</b><b>maturity kind of curve</b><b>and stuff and</b><b>it is like that.</b><b>And there's a lot out there</b><b>even as a maturity curve,</b><b>like so much for people to</b><b>know and experience.</b><b>The people that have those</b><b>tools like Future Tools</b><b>and Steve Nouri's got his</b><b>generative AI website,</b><b>which keeps track of all the</b><b>tools that are out there.</b><b>It's so hard to</b><b>kind of keep up, right?</b><b>So, you know, good luck,</b><b>but we will dive into things</b><b>that we at least like care</b><b>about and hopefully our</b><b>followers will</b><b>check out as well.</b><b>So, yep, check</b><b>out the TikTok.</b><b>What else you got?</b><b>Some interesting news, it's</b><b>more around the Google space.</b><b>I mean, there's a few things</b><b>that are coming out.</b><b>So these will be tested in</b><b>India at the moment.</b><b>They're releasing some AI</b><b>summary updates</b><b>into their news, weather and</b><b>business summaries</b><b>across maps as well.</b><b>So you can jump</b><b>into your Google maps</b><b>and you get all these summary</b><b>updates around reviews</b><b>for stores, for restaurants,</b><b>all the review summary.</b><b>So rather than</b><b>have to skim through,</b><b>it's now giving you the</b><b>highlights and et cetera,</b><b>so we can't have</b><b>access to that yet.</b><b>So that's pretty</b><b>interesting though,</b><b>because I think maps has been</b><b>a little bit short</b><b>on getting any recent updates</b><b>and, you know,</b><b>with Apple taking over a lot</b><b>of the market share</b><b>of the maps nowadays,</b><b>it's been a bit of</b><b>competitive in that space.</b><b>So interesting to see if</b><b>they're gonna change it</b><b>with all these</b><b>new AI integrations.</b><b>Even more interesting, which</b><b>I thought was really cool</b><b>is Google has put some AI</b><b>into their Google Earth</b><b>and allowing us now to jump</b><b>back almost 80 years</b><b>of whatever, like of</b><b>the view of the planet</b><b>in certain areas to</b><b>see how it's changed.</b><b>This is really interesting</b><b>where you can</b><b>actually dive right</b><b>into a certain location and</b><b>then you've been able</b><b>to jump back maybe 20 or so</b><b>years with pictures</b><b>on Google Earth within maps</b><b>and see the changes of,</b><b>I mean, I've jumped into to</b><b>have a look at my house</b><b>and see what the 20 year</b><b>change of my house</b><b>would have looked like back</b><b>in early 1990s.</b><b>It was quite, quite funny.</b><b>Let's head to Vegas.</b><b>Chris' house is</b><b>somewhere near here.</b><b>Yes, my little,</b><b>my penthouse suite.</b><b>Look at that,</b><b>look at the expansion</b><b>that you just see</b><b>on screen there.</b><b>Which is crazy, it keeps</b><b>going back and back.</b><b>And so you can see the</b><b>evolution of</b><b>what has happened</b><b>from where there's</b><b>development of cities,</b><b>the destruction of the land.</b><b>So that's pretty...</b><b>My fan, I've got cousins that</b><b>live around there.</b><b>So they're probably</b><b>in these outer suburbs</b><b>that were definitely not</b><b>there in 87, 88.</b><b>So I just recently moved.</b><b>But yeah, I mean, meandering</b><b>rivers,</b><b>deforestation, mining,</b><b>more deforestation,</b><b>deforestation.</b><b>Oh man, I mean, let's</b><b>jump to some probably</b><b>not so great stuff from a</b><b>climate perspective.</b><b>But there's so</b><b>much forest in Brazil,</b><b>but let's just</b><b>have a look at that.</b><b>It's so scary to</b><b>watch, to see that.</b><b>Yeah, it's getting drier and</b><b>drier going less green.</b><b>Man, well, look,</b><b>hopefully there are</b><b>reforestation kind</b><b>of things, but anyway.</b><b>This is losing a lot</b><b>of AI to blend imagery</b><b>because obviously we didn't</b><b>have satellites</b><b>back in early time of when</b><b>some of these</b><b>images were taken,</b><b>but we did have a lot of</b><b>footage from the sky.</b><b>And they've been able to</b><b>blend that imagery</b><b>with their own AI</b><b>models to gather those,</b><b>the output that we're seeing</b><b>now in that evolution.</b><b>I'm just jumping to a place</b><b>near where we are.</b><b>So our office is</b><b>over at WeWork.</b><b>We're at Stone and Chalk now,</b><b>but I just want to see what</b><b>Martin Place</b><b>kind of looks like.</b><b>And it's just loading.</b><b>I think, am I</b><b>too zoomed in here?</b><b>It's very blurry.</b><b>Could also be just</b><b>cause it's Australia.</b><b>We don't get all the latest</b><b>band angle imagery.</b><b>I know, right?</b><b>I don't have any</b><b>information on this.</b><b>You can kind of see it.</b><b>Like it's</b><b>blurring together there,</b><b>like Sydney city and stuff.</b><b>But anyway, we'll just let</b><b>that load and</b><b>play the background.</b><b>But this is a</b><b>really cool feature.</b><b>Yeah, I thought</b><b>that was a lot of fun.</b><b>I was just having</b><b>to play around myself</b><b>actually doing</b><b>very similar things,</b><b>looking at the Amazon forest</b><b>and the transitions,</b><b>jumping to some</b><b>of the cities.</b><b>I was looking at New York.</b><b>New York.</b><b>New York.</b><b>coffee.</b><b>And even over in</b><b>good old California</b><b>and San Fran, et cetera.</b><b>So it was very fun, fun</b><b>little tools and fun ways</b><b>and interesting ways of</b><b>seeing the</b><b>evolution of the world</b><b>where he was utilizing AI.</b><b>Fantastic.</b><b>What's your plan next?</b><b>What have you got next, man?</b><b>Actually, I've got something</b><b>that was interesting.</b><b>I can't remember who</b><b>highlighted this,</b><b>whether it came up in my</b><b>Google news feed</b><b>that is just like</b><b>there on my phone</b><b>and just highlight some</b><b>things sometimes</b><b>cause the algorithm knows</b><b>what you care about.</b><b>Or if it was like LinkedIn</b><b>and one of the</b><b>people I follow</b><b>or my followers and</b><b>stuff that shared.</b><b>But this idea that AI can</b><b>only do 5% of jobs</b><b>says MIT</b><b>economist who fears crash,</b><b>fearing that</b><b>there is this AI crash</b><b>because AI is</b><b>not doing enough.</b><b>But it just, I mean,</b><b>obviously we don't take it at</b><b>a headline level</b><b>because if you did that you</b><b>see the things like,</b><b>Goldman Sachs report looked</b><b>like it was negative</b><b>but there were equally</b><b>positive things</b><b>when that came out and stuff.</b><b>And if anything negative,</b><b>it's not on the</b><b>industry itself.</b><b>It's just where we're at now</b><b>because they want to be able</b><b>to get returns from it today.</b><b>They're not long-term</b><b>thinking and stuff.</b><b>Maybe they are, but just</b><b>traditionally</b><b>investors are not.</b><b>Now MIT educational research</b><b>kind of place,</b><b>their economists are saying</b><b>that they fear a crash.</b><b>Should we fear it?</b><b>Now we can go into the</b><b>article and stuff,</b><b>but just even at</b><b>a top line level,</b><b>it is much better to be an</b><b>optimist about these things</b><b>because there's</b><b>just, you know,</b><b>having that doomer and we</b><b>just don't innovate.</b><b>Even if things are</b><b>supremely negative</b><b>like we had</b><b>during the cold war</b><b>and like when things were</b><b>looking like there's gonna be</b><b>and we are going through</b><b>conflict right now</b><b>but we've got to find ways to</b><b>maintain that optimism</b><b>and stuff and just move</b><b>things forward.</b><b>So the highlight here that AI</b><b>is gonna go through a crash.</b><b>It's like talking about early</b><b>stage internet</b><b>and just think,</b><b>well, it's over.</b><b>You know, what's the point?</b><b>Why should we even</b><b>like worry about this?</b><b>Oh, all these</b><b>inflated kind of prices.</b><b>Well, yeah, companies died,</b><b>but this is just</b><b>part of like the cycle</b><b>that we have to go through</b><b>where everything,</b><b>everyone gets excited,</b><b>but that excitement, even</b><b>though it's over-hyped,</b><b>arguably agree, but you need</b><b>that to bring attention</b><b>and to bring people</b><b>in that will take it</b><b>to those future levels.</b><b>Like this is just</b><b>the way things are.</b><b>We don't have 100% efficiency</b><b>in terms of the</b><b>industry moves forward</b><b>and that's when</b><b>we bring people on.</b><b>No, it's always</b><b>this chasing the tail.</b><b>I hate to reference it.</b><b>I mean, this is like,</b><b>I mean, it's obvious</b><b>that the fear mongering comes</b><b>with all these technologies.</b><b>It happened with the</b><b>dawn of the vehicle.</b><b>It happened with the</b><b>dawn of the internet.</b><b>Happened when</b><b>Google hit the market.</b><b>All of these</b><b>conversations, but this,</b><b>I mean, this is the thing I</b><b>don't like to reference,</b><b>but there's a lot of negative</b><b>press around Mr. Bill Gates,</b><b>but he did an</b><b>interview recently</b><b>and one of the</b><b>highlighted comments</b><b>from that interview was his</b><b>statement around,</b><b>it's one of the first times</b><b>in technology in a while</b><b>where there is infinite</b><b>possibilities.</b><b>And that's what AI</b><b>has opened this door</b><b>for these</b><b>infinite possibilities</b><b>to do things</b><b>within the air space.</b><b>And if there is infinite</b><b>possibilities,</b><b>that means there is infinite</b><b>opportunity for businesses</b><b>to do things in unique and</b><b>different ways.</b><b>So it isn't a matter of, oh</b><b>no, it's taking these jobs.</b><b>It's a matter of, now a</b><b>matter of, okay,</b><b>where is the opportunity to</b><b>create new work,</b><b>new opportunities, do new things.</b><b>And we talked, I mentioned</b><b>this last week,</b><b>around the topic of it's much</b><b>easier to be negative</b><b>than it is to be positive or</b><b>to make change.</b><b>So like, it's</b><b>still- It's more work.</b><b>It's more work, so much</b><b>effort to do stuff</b><b>when these things- AI can</b><b>help you be positive.</b><b>Yeah, maybe.</b><b>You can have an</b><b>AI system there</b><b>that is always just helping</b><b>you turn negative</b><b>or whatever it is</b><b>kind of situation,</b><b>relationship,</b><b>work, et cetera,</b><b>into what is the</b><b>positive out of this.</b><b>You can be the angel advocate</b><b>on your shoulders.</b><b>So my ear is hearing this</b><b>negative thing</b><b>in my own brain</b><b>and AI is on the other</b><b>shoulder going,</b><b>it's okay, you can do this.</b><b>You have to have something</b><b>like kind of in the middle</b><b>because it can't just be all</b><b>sunshine and</b><b>rainbows and stuff.</b><b>There are things that we have</b><b>to really take practically</b><b>into account because if you</b><b>just go out</b><b>there as a startup</b><b>and you don't</b><b>gather all the feedback</b><b>or don't listen</b><b>to your customers</b><b>in terms of the things that</b><b>they're asking for,</b><b>you are doomed to</b><b>fail very likely.</b><b>Like with any business</b><b>though, there's not just AI.</b><b>That it's lessons, like those</b><b>critiques are lessons</b><b>that you take into</b><b>accounting, you</b><b>build further on</b><b>and you</b><b>maintain that optimism</b><b>that you're doing</b><b>the right thing,</b><b>but measure it</b><b>and stuff as well.</b><b>But speaking of the crazy</b><b>stuff that was</b><b>going on there,</b><b>there was this article about,</b><b>let me just see</b><b>if I can find it.</b><b>The infinite possibilities.</b><b>Now these guys, they're good</b><b>because they showed the</b><b>possibilities of this,</b><b>but then at the same time,</b><b>they don't release the code</b><b>that is there to do this.</b><b>But knowing that they've said</b><b>that it's possible,</b><b>people are gonna definitely</b><b>try to copycat it,</b><b>but they're trying to create</b><b>a feature or a ways</b><b>in which that</b><b>you can avoid this.</b><b>And what this is, is that</b><b>using the meta glasses</b><b>that we just</b><b>spoke about last week,</b><b>people are already showing</b><b>how you can identify</b><b>and detect people and they go</b><b>around New York</b><b>or wherever it</b><b>is and just go,</b><b>oh, hey, are you Jim?</b><b>Did we do class</b><b>together and stuff?</b><b>Or do you teach</b><b>like this thing?</b><b>Or scanning.</b><b>Whatever it was.</b><b>And like, oh man, scam is the</b><b>light right there,</b><b>but they're showing you how</b><b>you can help yourself</b><b>remove these</b><b>identifying markers</b><b>from the internet and stuff.</b><b>So interesting stuff.</b><b>And in addition to this, we</b><b>don't have the article here,</b><b>but I did also</b><b>read that there is,</b><b>in purchasing these tools,</b><b>this technology from meta,</b><b>including I think even the</b><b>Ray-Ban glasses,</b><b>which also have camera,</b><b>any footage that you do</b><b>captures in these devices</b><b>will feed the algorithm</b><b>unless you decide,</b><b>unless you find the</b><b>appropriate settings to</b><b>disable those.</b><b>So, Yeah, be careful.</b><b>So, your</b><b>personal information,</b><b>your personal things that</b><b>you're</b><b>capturing in the world,</b><b>your IP essentially, and your</b><b>personal insights,</b><b>are also feeding</b><b>these algorithms.</b><b>So do be careful and make</b><b>sure that you are,</b><b>considering what</b><b>it is you're doing</b><b>when it comes to utilizing</b><b>these devices.</b><b>As exciting and fun as it is</b><b>to use them in itself.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>I just wanted to bring up the</b><b>last podcast that we did,</b><b>we spoke about notebook LM</b><b>for some time,</b><b>but we should actually bring</b><b>it up on screen</b><b>because I threw,</b><b>because they've</b><b>got a new feature</b><b>where you don't just have to</b><b>take transcript and notes,</b><b>you can still put in PDFs,</b><b>you can still put in like</b><b>rough ideas to notes.</b><b>I was telling</b><b>you before this,</b><b>that I played something,</b><b>I'll see if I</b><b>can find it here,</b><b>but like I did</b><b>something where,</b><b>all I did was give it pages</b><b>and pages of the same text.</b><b>It was</b><b>McDonald's, McDonald's,</b><b>Kentucky Fried</b><b>Chicken and a Pizza Hut,</b><b>because that's the first</b><b>thing that came to my head.</b><b>Over and over again.</b><b>I had it repeated like a</b><b>thousand times or</b><b>whatever it was.</b><b>However, you know.</b><b>Kentucky Fried</b><b>Chicken and a Pizza Hut,</b><b>Micton</b><b>So, it read it and the two</b><b>posts talk about,</b><b>what is this</b><b>piece of lost text?</b><b>Who made this?</b><b>Was it a joke?</b><b>Or is it something</b><b>symbolic about it?</b><b>Is it a commentary on society</b><b>in our consumers</b><b>and kind of lifestyle?</b><b>They dug deeper into</b><b>things than anyone.</b><b>Finding a metaphor in a</b><b>classic historic.</b><b>Frickin' crazy.</b><b>Here's what</b><b>they say about us.</b><b>All right,</b><b>everybody, welcome back.</b><b>Today we're diving into some</b><b>pretty big AI news.</b><b>Yeah, huge actually.</b><b>And a lot of it is pretty</b><b>surprising, even for us.</b><b>Right, we've been following</b><b>this world pretty closely</b><b>and even we're</b><b>doing double takes.</b><b>Let me just give it a minute.</b><b>So, it makes sense of--</b><b>Honestly, has</b><b>shaken things up a bit.</b><b>To say the least.</b><b>I mean, even Elon Musk bailed</b><b>on them back in 2019</b><b>because he saw this coming.</b><b>He was worried about them</b><b>shifting their priorities.</b><b>And it wasn't just him.</b><b>We've seen some</b><b>pretty big names.</b><b>Leave OpenAI recently, like</b><b>Mira Morati, their CTO.</b><b>Yeah, and that makes you</b><b>wonder, right?</b><b>Is there something--</b><b>I'll just give it a little bit more.</b><b>What are they doing with it?</b><b>Are they selling</b><b>it to advertisers?</b><b>Using it to train</b><b>their AI even more.</b><b>I know.</b><b>It's a bit</b><b>unnerving, honestly.</b><b>We can learn.</b><b>And that's where I think</b><b>government</b><b>regulation comes in.</b><b>Which speaking of, we've got</b><b>some</b><b>interesting articles here</b><b>about both the</b><b>US and Australia.</b><b>Gravelings can get really</b><b>damaging and really fast.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>And it's not just about</b><b>revenge porn or</b><b>anything like that.</b><b>We're talking about</b><b>using these things</b><b>to spread misinformation, to</b><b>influence elections,</b><b>to manipulate people on a</b><b>massive scale.</b><b>This could be</b><b>ended one more time.</b><b>To develop their own, you</b><b>know, something</b><b>without actually revealing</b><b>what you know.</b><b>Okay, now you're</b><b>just messing with me.</b><b>Well, to tamper it.</b><b>Which makes it perfect for</b><b>tracking things.</b><b>So you could</b><b>potentially use blockchain</b><b>to track the</b><b>development of an AI system</b><b>and make sure</b><b>everything's above board.</b><b>Exactly.</b><b>Imagine if every line of</b><b>code, every dataset used</b><b>to train an AI was recorded</b><b>on this public tamper-proof</b><b>blockchain, talk</b><b>about transparency.</b><b>Wow.</b><b>That would definitely address</b><b>some of those concerns</b><b>we were talking</b><b>about earlier.</b><b>It's crazy.</b><b>What about this zero</b><b>knowledge proof thing</b><b>that you've heard about?</b><b>What is that?</b><b>Zero knowledge proof?</b><b>Oh, this is fascinating.</b><b>They're like this crazy.</b><b>I can't think of</b><b>something better to do</b><b>on a Friday</b><b>morning to be here.</b><b>What's your--</b><b>Oh, it's--</b><b>Fist bumping.</b><b>And thank you, Google, for</b><b>releasing this</b><b>because it, you know,</b><b>arguably they</b><b>were the ones that,</b><b>I know they've got the Gemini</b><b>model and stuff,</b><b>but they're the ones that</b><b>opened the door.</b><b>If it wasn't for them</b><b>publishing their</b><b>Transformers research paper</b><b>and stuff back in 2017,</b><b>I think it really</b><b>opened up the door</b><b>for what others</b><b>were able to do.</b><b>They could have</b><b>kept that in-house.</b><b>They could have</b><b>done a whole lot more.</b><b>We could be in a much</b><b>different world of AI.</b><b>I would argue that this is</b><b>like the better world</b><b>that we're in where, sure,</b><b>maybe some people will think</b><b>that OpenAI should</b><b>not have released it</b><b>and made it</b><b>available and stuff</b><b>because it's so</b><b>dangerous and whatnot.</b><b>But if they didn't, just</b><b>imagine that</b><b>it's very hard to--</b><b>We've got our web search now</b><b>So if I can turn on documents</b><b>search on and off and the</b><b>documents will pop up</b><b>if I do turn that on</b><b>So if I've got stuff loaded</b><b>here will come up in the</b><b>drop-down, but I can turn on</b><b>web search and go</b><b>You know things that the</b><b>models just don't inherently</b><b>have because it's you know</b><b>after the cutoff</b><b>date, but who won the</b><b>NBA</b><b>championship</b><b>This year. So for example,</b><b>it's gonna go through that</b><b>and I think it was</b><b>Boston was a Boston</b><b>I remember like it was just</b><b>it felt like it was so long</b><b>ago. Oh the</b><b>Denver that was 2023</b><b>No, I should have said who</b><b>won in 2024, you know, it's</b><b>using a service called</b><b>Taboli, I think it is that's</b><b>underneath the hood. It's</b><b>very similar to what</b><b>perplexity does there</b><b>You go Boston Celtics one</b><b>then you can go</b><b>back and forth with it</b><b>You can see the the search</b><b>results there that's</b><b>available in the dreams and</b><b>other sections as well</b><b>But we're piecing it together</b><b>I'll have more updates in</b><b>terms of like what we're</b><b>doing the direction we're</b><b>heading with the product and</b><b>stuff over the</b><b>next couple of weeks</b><b>but</b><b>Yeah, some really interesting</b><b>insights updates galore. What</b><b>else have you got because</b><b>that's pretty much me. Yeah,</b><b>I think we're tapped out</b><b>That's that's a pretty good</b><b>stopping point there</b><b>Hi, please share</b><b>the news out there.</b><b>We talked about</b><b>our TikTok page,</b><b>talked about</b><b>some of the stuff</b><b>where that'll be</b><b>coming up with,</b><b>that we're both sharing.</b><b>Giving you the latest news as</b><b>it happens week by week,</b><b>every episode, Tuesday</b><b>morning launch.</b><b>Yeah, hope to see</b><b>you all there soon.</b><b>Yeah, that's it for me.</b><b>See you later.</b><b>See you later</b><b>guys, thanks again.</b><b>Good boy buzzin'</b><b>Worldwide</b><b>Tech trends blazin'</b><b>Digital fire</b><b>AI, AI</b><b>Rise into the sky</b><b>Digital world,</b><b>we're hakin' high</b><b>Now set the line</b>